OT The Lunatics have taken over the Assylum

[swaledale]

No case to rest, I continue to be up for the 'discussion', and I just think my approach is different to yours, I will attack a stance rather than defend it, might make me come over as a bit of a **** every so often (maybe more than I think) but it does hopefully promote debate. The four areas I keep churning over in my mind, which will roll on to the next election, are trade (on balance being in EU was probably lesser of two evils IMO), sovereignty (I was OK with the level we were at pre-referendum, fascinated to see if anyone feels we have a more Sovereign state after Brexit), immigration (I have fairly extreme views on the very long-term impact of a certain type of immigration which Brexit will indirectly have a bearing on) and sheer cost of the operation (which, if UKplc prove as wasteful as EU, I will happily renounce my nationality). They will keep churning and the discussion here inc. your mutterings have helped the 'churn'.

Can't disagree with most of what you said Andy, though even the hard Brexit politicians are starting to admit that brexit will not have the effect on immigration which those who voted for it want - the truth is immigration will not fall because of Brexit simply because there is nobody else to do the jobs and economically we will be ****ed if we close that door...but of course we will have control, which effectively means same as before after all the criminals and terrorists won't come across the controlled borders.

[Andy_Faber]

Can't disagree with most of what you said Andy, though even the hard Brexit politicians are starting to admit that brexit will not have the effect on immigration which those who voted for it want - the truth is immigration will not fall because of Brexit simply because there is nobody else to do the jobs and economically we will be ****ed if we close that door...but of course we will have control, which effectively means same as before after all the criminals and terrorists won't come across the controlled borders.

I agree with you on the jobs thing to a point, although I do think that the whole thing is starting to be a beast that feeds itself, some of the 'slave labour' is now needed to service former EU grafters who've moved on up in the world.