OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[roger_ramjet]

2015 Derbyshire Dales result:

Con 24,805
Lab 10,761
UKIP 5,508
LibDem 3,965
Green 2,173

So voting Lib Dem isnt a wasted vote? I'd say they all are

[swaledale]

2015 Derbyshire Dales result:

Con 24,805
Lab 10,761
UKIP 5,508
LibDem 3,965
Green 2,173

So voting Lib Dem isnt a wasted vote? I'd say they all are

I don't think its going to be that clear cut this time - the lib dems suffered from the backlash of the coalition years, this time many labour voters who can't stand Corbyn may choose to vote another way plus those who don't want a hard Brexit..of course it may be that the electorate is too stupid to work out how to vote, but I'd say this will be the most interesting election for years and the haredst to call.

[swaledale]

You're correct, that's why they're having a vote on it tomorrow in the house of commons. Labour can stop it, if they want to.

Ah you right, though in that case May's speech should ahve been I ahve decided to ask parliament to vote on calling a general electin, not Cabinet has decided to call one! Still if she can about turn on "There should not be an election before 2020" I dae say anything she say should be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

[roger_ramjet]

But Labour wont stop it. Quote the Independent -

Leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, welcomed the call and said that Labour would offer “an effective alternative to a government that has failed to rebuild the economy".

“I welcome the Prime Minister’s decision to give the British people the chance to vote for a government that will put the interests of the majority first," Mr Corbyn said.

[ramAnag]

2015 Derbyshire Dales result:

Con 24,805
Lab 10,761
UKIP 5,508
LibDem 3,965
Green 2,173

So voting Lib Dem isnt a wasted vote? I'd say they all are

Fair point, but the Lib Dem's were (unfairly imo) in 'disgrace' then and Clegg had been sent to the naughty step.
I've been living somewhere in this constituency since late 1979 and the only genuine challenge to Patrick McLoughlin/Matthew Parris - and I can't remember what year it was - came from the Liberals. You're right though, it won't make any difference but you've got to try haven't you?

[roger_ramjet]

Maybe you can aspire to push UKIP into 4th place this year as their job is done 😊

[ramAnag]

Maybe you can aspire to push UKIP into 4th place this year as their job is done ��

It was 1986 Rog, when the constituency was still known as West Derbyshire. The Tories and Liberals polled almost 40,000 votes between them and McLoughlin won by a mere 100 votes. Labour also polled almost 10,000 that day. I voted Liberal, the wife voted Labour and we've never, as far as I know, 'split' our vote since. It's been solidly Tory (and pro Brexit) in the intervening years but you never know.

[roger_ramjet]

It was 1986 Rog, when the constituency was still known as West Derbyshire. The Tories and Liberals polled almost 40,000 votes between them and McLoughlin won by a mere 100 votes. Labour also polled almost 10,000 that day. I voted Liberal, the wife voted Labour and we've never, as far as I know, 'split' our vote since. It's been solidly Tory (and pro Brexit) in the intervening years but you never know.

There wasn't a general election in 1986! There was a bye election but those results are notoriously protest / counter cyclical. It was indeed very close - huge swing to SDP et al, but a year later at the general election it was back to a 10,000 Tory majority again.

In 1987 the Lib Dems (SDP Alliance at the time) were pretty much at their peak and had almost 25% of the national vote. There was a belief that they could become the main opposition party if Labour didnt sort its **** out.

Currently Labour again needs to sort its **** out but the Lib Dem share of the vote is now under 8%. I'm sure they will improve on that percentage this time around but they have so much ground to make up and the situation is so very diffferent to what it was in 1986 that I think they will be looking at playoffs at best

[macstheman]

That's more than the 'mighty' Rams managed!! Seriously though, I live in an area where the Lib Dems do well and are well received and that has not changed despite their low National Polling. I think, and hope, they will be more successful this time despite the invisible one!

[swaledale]

There wasn't a general election in 1986! There was a bye election but those results are notoriously protest / counter cyclical. It was indeed very close - huge swing to SDP et al, but a year later at the general election it was back to a 10,000 Tory majority again.

In 1987 the Lib Dems (SDP Alliance at the time) were pretty much at their peak and had almost 25% of the national vote. There was a belief that they could become the main opposition party if Labour didnt sort its **** out.

Currently Labour again needs to sort its **** out but the Lib Dem share of the vote is now under 8%. I'm sure they will improve on that percentage this time around but they have so much ground to make up and the situation is so very diffferent to what it was in 1986 that I think they will be looking at playoffs at best

The difference this time though is that a lot of Tory voters are pro EU, so a brexit tory campaign may not sit well with them!


What i find fascinating is that all and sundry moan about spin and politician's lies and May has shown with this about turn and her unbelievable reasons for it, that she is as two faced as many others, yet no doubt the votes will roll in.

Yet one politician who is not two faced, who says what he believes and sticks to it, is Corbyn, yet because he is not strident, smart suited and booted and does not employ Australian spin doctors, he isn't popular! So the cliche that people get the politicians they deserve is all to true!