O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[millmoormagic]

I agree with him in that video, he was right. BUT, now we have made those huge errors over the last 15 or so years, we need to be a presence in the Middle East to try to right those wrongs. If we pull out now, we leave all those poor ****ers out there to have to deal with ISIS on their own. So, yes, we are partly responsible for making the monster, now we need to cut that monster's head off. There's a million different ideas on how to sort this mess out, but no one idea that we can all say, yes that will definitely work.

What we can surely say though, is if we leave the Middle East now, not only do we condemn hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent Muslims and Christians to certain death, we also allow IS to grow.

I haven't got time now to debate the IRA and Corbyn thing, but I will tomorrow, because I was already going to mention that, and funnily enough, I disagree with you, I think he absolutely has blood on his hands there, as does McConnell.....

Regarding the subject of voting though, with how much I currently despise the Tories, do you know what, I'd probably even consider voting Labour if they had someone other than Corbyn or Miliband as leader!

So, there you have it, you agree with Corbyn, and you know what, he's been right on most other things he's campaigned on, and we are only 'partly' to blame because the good old US of A is the major player in creating this monster that is ISIS, we're still supporting it in terms of shoving arms into Saudi Arabia (the birthplace of this radical side of islam, i suppose you conveniently forget that) If there ever was a reason to bomb any middle east country then Saudi would be the one, but we're not interested in stopping the killing, only in the oil plainly.

Voting for anything other than Labour hurts you, your kids, your parents and grandparents, and you know this.

[monty_rhodes]

So, there you have it, you agree with Corbyn, and you know what, he's been right on most other things he's campaigned on, and we are only 'partly' to blame because the good old US of A is the major player in creating this monster that is ISIS, we're still supporting it in terms of shoving arms into Saudi Arabia (the birthplace of this radical side of islam, i suppose you conveniently forget that) If there ever was a reason to bomb any middle east country then Saudi would be the one, but we're not interested in stopping the killing, only in the oil plainly.

Voting for anything other than Labour hurts you, your kids, your parents and grandparents, and you know this.

On occasions you present some good arguments, MMM. But what I dislike about your approach is that you are so bloody confident in your views to the point where you confuse an argument with fact. You are ideologically dogmatic - I met dozens like you in the CP, SWP and ANL - and will twist evidence to fit your argument even to the extent of pushing us into disastrous policy decisions.

[millmoormagic]

On occasions you present some good arguments, MMM. But what I dislike about your approach is that you are so bloody confident in your views to the point where you confuse an argument with fact. You are ideologically dogmatic - I met dozens like you in the CP, SWP and ANL - and will twist evidence to fit your argument even to the extent of pushing us into disastrous policy decisions.

So, which policy decision would be disastrous, in that case Monty.......

Also love the fact that you're picking up on what i post rather than some of the unsavoury stuff posted, but heyho, that's life.

[monty_rhodes]

So, which policy decision would be disastrous, in that case Monty.......

Also love the fact that you're picking up on what i post rather than some of the unsavoury stuff posted, but heyho, that's life.

Now, MMM, you should be flattered I read your stuff. Interesting that you refer to Corbyn stating that UK foreign policy was to "blame" even if only as you say "partly." On The World at One just now two points were addressed on this. Firstly, it was strongly suggested that this is crap and merely giving credence to the terrorists own narrative. Secondly, when confronted with this view Labour spokespeople including the lamentable Baroness Chuckabutty (laughably Shadow Attorney General) denied that Corbyn had suggested any such thing, that it was all mischievous misinformation and that his comments were aimed solely at future conflicts and that these should only be undertaken with a PLAN! Corbyn, Abbot and Chuckabutty coming up with a plan. I can hardly wait.

[millmoormagic]

Now, MMM, you should be flattered I read your stuff. Interesting that you refer to Corbyn stating that UK foreign policy was to "blame" even if only as you say "partly." On The World at One just now two points were addressed on this. Firstly, it was strongly suggested that this is crap and merely giving credence to the terrorists own narrative. Secondly, when confronted with this view Labour spokespeople including the lamentable Baroness Chuckabutty (laughably Shadow Attorney General) denied that Corbyn had suggested any such thing, that it was all mischievous misinformation and that his comments were aimed solely at future conflicts and that these should only be undertaken with a PLAN! Corbyn, Abbot and Chuckabutty coming up with a plan. I can hardly wait.

So, are you gunna answer my question or just chuck cheap jibes into the mix.....tick tock, as you might say in another guise...

[monty_rhodes]

So, are you gunna answer my question or just chuck cheap jibes into the mix.....tick tock, as you might say in another guise...

My dear MMM I disagree with you on many points but I rather like you. Unfortunately I consider your worldview destructive to my own so you would regrettably have to be consigned to the gulag. I would sign the paper with a heavy heart and slip you the odd Red Cross parcel. No, I am not going to answer your question because as Abraham Lincoln famously said "To answer is to give respectability to the palpably wrong." I am hurt that you feel my pointing out that Labour stalwarts fundamentally disagreed with your view on Corbyn's statement is in some way a "cheap jibe". Very odd conclusion.

[millmoormagic]

My dear MMM I disagree with you on many points but I rather like you. Unfortunately I consider your worldview destructive to my own so you would regrettably have to be consigned to the gulag. I would sign the paper with a heavy heart and slip you the odd Red Cross parcel. No, I am not going to answer your question because as Abraham Lincoln famously said "To answer is to give respectability to the palpably wrong." I am hurt that you feel my pointing out that Labour stalwarts fundamentally disagreed with your view on Corbyn's statement is in some way a "cheap jibe". Very odd conclusion.

Did make me chuckle that though...

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

On occasions you present some good arguments, MMM. But what I dislike about your approach is that you are so bloody confident in your views to the point where you confuse an argument with fact. You are ideologically dogmatic - I met dozens like you in the CP, SWP and ANL - and will twist evidence to fit your argument even to the extent of pushing us into disastrous policy decisions.

But that's the way it works isn't it?

Repeat the same lie again and again and it becomes fact in the minds of some.

Like a bad gambler they get so entrenched in their debt they throw money at it to try to claw it back. Same with the fixed views of the zealots, closed minds still living in the past unable to see that the world had changed and like the gambler keep rolling the same wonky dice to justify (to themselves) that theirs is the only correct view.

[millmoormagic]

But that's the way it works isn't it?

Repeat the same lie again and again and it becomes fact in the minds of some.

Like a bad gambler they get so entrenched in their debt they throw money at it to try to claw it back. Same with the fixed views of the zealots, closed minds still living in the past unable to see that the world had changed and like the gambler keep rolling the same wonky dice to justify (to themselves) that theirs is the only correct view.

No lies from me, and to be honest, coming from a bloke who edited ofsted results to post on here to suit his argument that's a bit rich, indeed, shameless, hang your head before trying to take the high moral ground grist, pathetic.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Bullshyte, I didn't edit any Ofsted figures, do yourself a favour and look them up.

http://reports.ofsted.gov.uk/index.p...type=1&refer=0

The school is exactly as bad as I said it was.

You're a dinosaur like your mate Corbyn, stuck in the swamp of left wing lies.