O/T Tommy Robinson Speaks About Manchester Terror Attack

[AltyPie]

AltyPie

3 points

1. I’m a bit of an infrequent visitor to this message board. Hadn’t looked at it for a couple of days. So sorry if I have hurt your ego by not immediately jumping in to address your posts. You obviously had a lot to get off your chest.

2. I have no strong opinions on Mehdi Hasan. I have merely posted an article that he’s penned because I thought it raised some interesting points, which ran counter to some of the views on this message board. So it was worthy of discussion on this thread. Some agreed with Hasan’s article and some haven’t. This is a message/discussion board after all.

3. Some on this board hero worship Tommy Robinson. I find him and his politics and methods distasteful but if people want to idolise him and claim that there’s a lefty/state conspiracy against him, then fine - that’s their business. His criminal convictions are a matter of record and judging by his record he’s a bit of a thug and a fraud.

It’s because you’ve called me an “outright hypocrite” and levelled a few other insults and accusations at me, when you know nothing about me that I feel you are just not worth the effort of a substantive response. Name calling and insults – very mature.

Hello Neville,

Thankyou for your reply. With respect, what is your opinion on what Mehdi Hasan had to say?
Specifically I am asking you to comment on these words he spoke:
"non-Muslims live their lives as animals".

[a123]

Feck me this site needs to sort itself out.

It's full of left wing nut jobs and right wing tossers, a lot of who don't even support the Millers so feck off on to your own clubs site's and spout your bile and hatred on there.

[AltyPie]

Muslims suffer by far the most deaths from Jihadist attacks.
There has been yet another bomb in Kabul killing 90 mostly Muslims:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40109568

There have been at least 7 Jihadi attacks in Afghanistan alone since Aug 2015, which have killed 330.

My only reason for being interested in this topic is because, like a lot of people, I would like to reduce or put an end to fatal Jihadi attacks, in the UK as a priority. If that makes me a "right wing tosser" then so be it.

IMO, it's Islamophobic to stifle debate on this issue because Muslims suffer by far the most fatalities from it.

[KerrAvon]

I will draw your attention to an excellent article by Allott and Allott which summarises and picks out conclusions from both the Jay report and Casey reports entitled Lessons of Rotherham with a heading...Political correctness played a MAJOR role in a shocking ***ual abuse scandal.

kempo, as I said I would, I've read Louise Casey's review of Rotherham Council. Unlike Professor Jay, she does link an unwilligness to discuss issues of ethnicity with the contiunation of the abuse in a single paragraph: Rotherham’s suppression of these uncomfortable issues and its fear of being branded racist has done a disservice to the Pakistani heritage community as well as the wider community. It has prevented discussion and effective action to tackle the problem. This has allowed perpetrators to remain at large, has let victims down, and perversely, has allowed the far right to try and exploit the situation. These may have been unintended consequences but the impact remains the same and reaches into the present day.

Within the chapter headed 'Where were the Police?', the question of the ethnicity of the majority of offenders is not addressed, with the focus being on the failure of the police to recognise abuse for what it was. It's a particularly disturbing section with one officer being quoted as saying: “The girls were blamed for a lot of what happened. It’s unbelievable and key to why it wasn’t taken seriously as an issue” and another person being quoted as telling the inspection: “There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags.”

I agree with John2 that the article that you decsribe is a poor source, coming, as it does, from an American neo-con site. It's like looking on the EDL website for objective view on the subject. As I mentioned, it's a bit disturbing that some of the quotes in the article that purport to come from Casey don't actually appear in her report.

[KerrAvon]

Post 361:

I was at Newark ( New York) a few weeks ago and like Miami brown people were being searched on entering the departure lounge and white people not so...Nobody complained and it seems a sensible policy.

Post 400:

I have been to New York 3 times this year and Miami once and have been to NY at least twice each year for the last 4 years.

Every time every passenger has had to go through without shoes which go through the scanner with the usual stuff.

On security every time I have arrived everyone has been finger printed and asked a series of security questions.

On departure I have had a body scan each and every time.

Just facts,not making a particular point other than security is always at a high level in the States.

Mmmm... You seem to be contradicting yourself there. We know from the legendary pants on the head photo that you aren't black.

[kempo]

Post 361:

Post 400:

Mmmm... You seem to be contradicting yourself there. We know from the legendary pants on the head photo that you aren't black.

Surely you cannot be a lawyer..Policeman maybe?....but you cannot be a lawyer even though you try and give that impression.

[monty_rhodes]

Surely you cannot be a lawyer..Policeman maybe?....but you cannot be a lawyer even though you try and give that impression.

Good old kempo. Never changes his tactics. Bangs on and on about every small error by an opponent but simply ignores it when his preposterous porkies are pointed out.

[kempo]

Good old kempo. Never changes his tactics. Bangs on and on about every small error by an opponent but simply ignores it when his preposterous porkies are pointed out.

Monty..

You still seem to have some pent up anger within.

Have you tried the Reiki I advised?...I find it very helpful.

I am unsure of the preposterous porkie things because I endeavour to tell the truth at all times.

[celticmiller]

The bile you're spouting about me d@#ckhead. Back it up.

[Ellis_D]

This is not clear thinking and is in fact dangerous and part of the problem not the solution.
You are suggesting that people who say or tweet "nasty" or "Islamophobic" things about people who commit acts of terror in the name of Islam bring about further radicalisation of Muslims. These freshly radicalised muslims are then ready to commit suicide bombings, potentially against children, and it is the non-Muslim verbal dissenters that brought it on themselves.

If we have a section of UK society that is ready to commit acts of murder (eg, similar to the Charlie Hebdo example) because they are tweeted against, insulted by a cartoon or words, or offended how women in the west dress, act and enjoy themselves, then we have a huge problem in our society that NEEDS NAMING AND DISCUSSING. Not ignoring as you suggest and if you persist with this ridiculous PC, denialist narrative, you will make the deaths of more innocents likely.

For the above reasons, a position such as you lay out above is now morally indefensible and it is the same path the politicians are rigidly fixed to.

Lee Rigby, PC Keith Palmer, Manchester, numerous plots foiled. How many terror successes and failures do you want to see before you accept there is a deadly problem with a minority of our Islamic community. There is a small percentage within that community who want to bring about the end of our "western" way of life and replace it with a Caliphate. Do you beleive that a tweet or a facebook post will "push them over he edge" to becoming murderers? You are deluded if you do.

Around the world, it is Muslims who, by far, are the greatest number killed by Islamic Terror. If it helps to get it into your virtue signalling, denialist skull, then accept that NAMING and discussing the issue in an open and difficult way will lead to less Muslim deaths as one consequence.

I might be wrong, but I think it was Voltaire who said something like "if you want to solve a problem, you first have to name it."

Our politicians don't even want to name it, and that can only lead to more teddy bears and tea lights. I, for one have had a belly full of those.

Let me ask YOU a question. Are you ready to acknowledge and discuss openly and very frankly the role that the Koran and Hadith play in all of this?

Excellent post, AltyPie. Too many people, and I am constantly in debates with them, refuse to acknowledge or refuse to educate themselves, that the Qur'an, Muhammad and the Hadith are the sole reasons we have so much Islamic terrorism across the world. Just doing some research, some reading, will make them understand, but so many of them refuse and instead follow the lies that the media, the government and moderate Muslims spout, that Islam is the religion of peace and that the terrorists aren't real Muslims.