OT: Grenfell Tower fire

[monty_rhodes]

Just to add. There is a distasteful tendency on MM often by the same 3 or 4 posters to continually seek the moral high ground and refer to other posters' comments as shameful. It is that that is shameful.
Having now listened to the BBC and read several of this morning's papers, every one of them is asking the kind of "political" question about this fire that MMM referred to. Is their behaviour "shameful" or should we indulge Kerr's sensitivities and restrict ourselves to candle lit vigils while hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens have to live and sleep in similar tower blocks?
And next time you bang on about cutting red tape and freeing ourselves from the heavy hand of Europe just remember some of the regulation that certain leading Bexiteers want to ditch is fire prevention. Oh, and of course it's reasonable isn't it, not to reduce a developeror landlord's profit by making them spend £3500 per flat on installing sprinklers. Tell that to the dead.

[monty_rhodes]

Very good points made Monty, some people's heads need to roll for this.

Thanks, roly. I hope that this scandal will prove to be a turning point. It is not either party political or shameful surely to note that the relevant minister was asked 3 times by the parliamentary commitee to address the issue of flammable cladding as a matter of urgency but took no action?

[lbj]

I would agree with that comment because I believe that "Europe" would protect us better than a tory government would.....but.....:

"And next time you bang on about cutting red tape and freeing ourselves from the heavy hand of Europe just remember some of the regulation that certain leading Bexiteers want to ditch is fire prevention"

All the bad bits of this tragic fire has happened under European law and during a period of heavy European involvement.

So what's your point ?

Some of the European legislation is good but much of the good stuff the tory government has vetoed to suit the tory back benches and establishment.

The major problem I want OUT is the BOSTON - LINCOLNSHIRE PROBLEM !

And if you go there and ask why that area returned the highest LEAVE vote you'll see that an "open door" doesn't work....but the areas returning a STAY vote.....don't see the problems an open door policy brings to their own doorsteps.

[lbj]

"The building was erected when Harold Wilson was Prime Minister"

That statement is truly f##ked up!

[monty_rhodes]

I would agree with that comment because I believe that "Europe" would protect us better than a tory government would.....but.....:

"And next time you bang on about cutting red tape and freeing ourselves from the heavy hand of Europe just remember some of the regulation that certain leading Bexiteers want to ditch is fire prevention"

All the bad bits of this tragic fire has happened under European law and during a period of heavy European involvement.

So what's your point ?

Some of the European legislation is good but much of the good stuff the tory government has vetoed to suit the tory back benches and establishment.

The major problem I want OUT is the BOSTON - LINCOLNSHIRE PROBLEM !

And if you go there and ask why that area returned the highest LEAVE vote you'll see that an "open door" doesn't work....but the areas returning a STAY vote.....don't see the problems an open door policy brings to their own doorsteps.

You're missing my point. If you paid attention you would know I voted Leave and my main reason for doing so was concern over immigration.
The point I'm making here is that many Brexiteers don't give a fig for the impact of immigration on working class wages, jobs, housing, schools and services. They often employ immigrants in their businesses and on their farms.
What they want from Brexit is a dilution of employment, environmental and health and safety regulations.
You are quite right about the fire taking place under EU regulations but it was the UK government that decided not to make retro-fitting of sprinklers compulsory and to ignore concerns about flammability of cladding panles - governments in Europe and Australia moved very quickly in this regard following a number of cladding fires. The UK had experience of a similar tower block fire that killed six in London but has failed to implement the recommendations in its report.

[lbj]

Reading your response Monty.....I can't see where I missed your point !

I paid attention and made pertinent comments on your last post. NO MATTER syntax !

We appear to agree.

There is an additional point that is a controlling influence on all these projects and that is the copious use of brown paper envelopes that provides the lubrication for many contracts issued within construction !

[animallittle3]

The time to start pointing fingers at the government isn't now and I say this as a man who loathes the tories with a passion .

People are still missing and coming to terms with losing loved ones for christ sake .

Pretty disgusting from labour to be honest .

[millmoormagic]

I think another pont that has to be made is the 'regeneration' of that area, a very affluent area with high building plot prices, where the local council has been, whether intentional or not, using 'regeneration' to basically move the poor people out, to build houses for the rich. A factor in the cladding of the tower block was to make it more pleasing to the eye from various other places in the vicinity, namely the better off areas.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I think another pont that has to be made is the 'regeneration' of that area, a very affluent area with high building plot prices, where the local council has been, whether intentional or not, using 'regeneration' to basically move the poor people out, to build houses for the rich. A factor in the cladding of the tower block was to make it more pleasing to the eye from various other places in the vicinity, namely the better off areas.

You've obviously never been there.

[lbj]

One previous resident - a past member of the 'Residents Committee" - said that he was horrified by the news "BUT NOT SURPRISED" !

The committee to which he was a member have been highlighting problems relating to this buildings safety for years!

This is VERY political - on par with the culling of 22,000 Bobby's...affecting UK security.......closing fire stations and the like.....many more examples of cuts in the name of "AUSTERITY".

And sales of LUXURY CARS AND YACHTS ARE BOOMING !

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE !