OT another terrorist attack.

[Ellis_D]

Two wrongs never made a right !

The dead individual had a heart attack prior to the van attack - the people were helping him as the van hit them....

There's always "An eye for an eye"...

But then there's "Turn the other cheek"

It depends on the individuals demeanour...and being so firkin self righteous to take the law into their own hands....killing additional inoccents.

The problem is:

Justice must not only be done - it must be seen to be done......and this is what's missing too many times....Hillsborough being a good example. Not seeing "justice" done inspires these vigilantes to obtain it themselves....

Swift justice stops retribution.

Right, spouting a load of catchphrases at me or quotes from the Bible is absolutely meaningless, and nothing to do with the conversation. You said, 'The harming of any third party NOT IMMEDIATELY INVOLVED.....makes the perpetrators WORSE THAN THE ORIGINAL ACT !' And that is clearly incorrect. The original act is murdering innocent people. The act in response to that is attempting to murder innocent people (and that there weren't numerous deaths is pure luck). Therefore the attackers are as bad as each other. To suggest that someone murdering innocent people (or attempting to) in response to someone murdering innocent people, is worse than the original act of mass murder is absolutely barmy.

[mikemiller]

Right, spouting a load of catchphrases at me or quotes from the Bible is absolutely meaningless, and nothing to do with the conversation. You said, 'The harming of any third party NOT IMMEDIATELY INVOLVED.....makes the perpetrators WORSE THAN THE ORIGINAL ACT !' And that is clearly incorrect. The original act is murdering innocent people. The act in response to that is attempting to murder innocent people (and that there weren't numerous deaths is pure luck). Therefore the attackers are as bad as each other. To suggest that someone murdering innocent people (or attempting to) in response to someone murdering innocent people, is worse than the original act of mass murder is absolutely barmy.

Any chance of your hero, the Nazi and criminal Stephen "Tommy Robinson" Yaxley- Lennon, speaking out against this crime, or organising a protest march about this terrorist attack? Strangely enough - no sign of him!
I wonder why...

[millmoormagic]

Right, spouting a load of catchphrases at me or quotes from the Bible is absolutely meaningless.

Just like your penchant for quoting the koran to try to back up your warped views then maybe....just a thought....

[Ellis_D]

Any chance of your hero, the Nazi and criminal Stephen "Tommy Robinson" Yaxley- Lennon, speaking out against this crime, or organising a protest march about this terrorist attack? Strangely enough - no sign of him!
I wonder why...

Actually he has condemned it in a video today, called it terrorism, said it was an attack on the Muslim community, called the man responsible a 'facking idiot', called it 'disgusting and sickening', called him an '@rsehole scumbag'.

Just because it is conveniently not shared on the leftist websites you visit, does not mean he hasn't come straight out and attacked this terrorist scumbag.

So, not for the first time, you have made yourself look an absolute t!t, Mike.

You also, yet again, call him a Nazi. You can call him many things, but it just shows how unbelievably stupid you are that you call him a Nazi.

He has publicly opposed far right groups numerous times. The REAL far right absolutely despise him and see him as a race traitor. He has publicly burned swastikas. When he was leader of the EDL he fought tirelessly to remove the far right elements who had infiltrated the group. He headbutted one of them at an EDL meeting and was convicted of it. A far right group made a video issuing death threats to Tommy. He has marched with the Israeli flag and spoken about being a supporter of the Jews in Israel. He has said on numerous occasions that he hates Nazism and Islamism the same, as opposite sides of the same coin. He has made videos to Blood and Honour, a REAL far right extremist group, denouncing them. Last week he marched with gays, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus and even Muslims at a march against hate.

He has numerous black friends, he has a black God-daughter. He had Muslim friends at his wedding FFS! When Lee Rigby was murdered, he said on stage at a rally, anyone attacking innocent Muslims is a coward. He has spoken out against attacking mosques or abusing Muslim women. He has spoken about how many Muslims are in our armed forces. He has said plenty of times that not all Muslims are terrorists, or are responsible for terrorism.

You really make yourself look so unbelievably stupid when you refer to someone who has black, gay, Jewish and Muslim friends as a Nazi.

[Ellis_D]

Just like your penchant for quoting the koran to try to back up your warped views then maybe....just a thought....

Completely different. I meant the quotes that he used in the conversation we were having were absolutely meaningless, as they were nothing to do with the conversation or the points being debated. Had he used them in a conversation surrounding passages in the Bible, then of course they would be relevant.

When I quote from The Qur'an, I don't just throw random quotes into a discussion that have nothing to do with the conversation. I make valid points pertinent to the discussion, and use quotes from The Qur'an to back my points up.

[great_fire]

Have seen a lot of Muslims posting on Twitter saying they're suffering equally now, yes it was wrong but 1 person died, 1604 people have died in Muslim terror attacks in last 30 days alone, it's hardly equal.

[John2]

Have seen a lot of Muslims posting on Twitter saying they're suffering equally now, yes it was wrong but 1 person died, 1604 people have died in Muslim terror attacks in last 30 days alone, it's hardly equal.

I don't want to make you look too silly, but you do realise that the vast majority of those killed will have been Muslim?

[monty_rhodes]

I don't want to make you look too silly, but you do realise that the vast majority of those killed will have been Muslim?

You're not making him look silly but rather yourself. Firstly, his point regarding the perpertrators of the attacks is entirely valid. Secondly, as you say, many more Muslims have been killed by Muslims than by non-Muslims in terror attacks recently. Yet the BBC interviewed Muslims after the Finsbury attack who stated that as a result of that attack they now feared for their lives in the UK, whereas presumably the much greater chance of being killed by fellow Muslims left them unconcerned.

[John2]

You're not making him look silly but rather yourself. Firstly, his point regarding the perpertrators of the attacks is entirely valid. Secondly, as you say, many more Muslims have been killed by Muslims than by non-Muslims in terror attacks recently. Yet the BBC interviewed Muslims after the Finsbury attack who stated that as a result of that attack they now feared for their lives in the UK, whereas presumably the much greater chance of being killed by fellow Muslims left them unconcerned.

He didn't state in the UK, he used global numbers and implied that none of those victims were Muslim, omitting facts completely undermining his point. His point was on suffering, not on instigating.

[monty_rhodes]

He didn't state in the UK, he used global numbers and implied that none of those victims were Muslim, omitting facts completely undermining his point. His point was on suffering, not on instigating.

As usual you present your interpretation as fact. I saw no such implication and see no relevance to the geography of attacks.