media, pundits, ex players accusing Rafa of negativity

[ex_pat_magpie]

Of course Hanley and Lazaar didn't feature much as they were back up and not first selection but never the less needed as squad players.

Likes of Colback on a free is still drawing wages is he not as is Krul who's been here 100's of years. Wages are wages and if players are not needed their wages are to pay others. That's simple economics.

The likes of de Jong Mitro and Mbemba. I added in as my own opinion thinking if Rafa can replace with better before the window shuts then these may be the ones to go and replace.

[ghostrider]

Of course Hanley and Lazaar didn't feature much as they were back up and not first selection but never the less needed as squad players.

Likes of Colback on a free is still drawing wages is he not as is Krul who's been here 100's of years. Wages are wages and if players are not needed their wages are to pay others. That's simple economics.

The likes of de Jong Mitro and Mbemba. I added in as my own opinion thinking if Rafa can replace with better before the window shuts then these may be the ones to go and replace.

Mbemba is quality. He's a potential set in partner for Lejeune and/or Lascelles and/or Clarke.
Basically a way better than average 4 CB's.

However, you have strayed off the actual topic we were all debating, which was Charnley and co being buffoons for giving long contracts to crap players, apparently.

The argument is, do we buy the crap knowing they are crap or did we buy them in the hope they would turn out to be worth it and also have enough contract to make sure we don't get held to ransom for their services, by other clubs.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
What contracts are all the players on who Rafa bought for the championship?
1 year? 2 year? 3 year? 4 year? 5 year?


You see, Matz Sels has a 5 year contract on 35,000 a week. Rafa's player.
Ciaran Clarke on 5years.
Grant Hanley on 5 years.
Matt Ritchie on 5 years.
Yedlin on 5 years.
Hayden 5 years.
Lazaar 5 years.


Are any of them worth 5 years and if so, which one's?

You see, this isn't just about Charnley and co. It's about the entire set up and having to take risks.

Now that I'm getting at is; if we only put some players on short term contracts and they eventually turn out to excel or even progress, only to find that they have become an integral part of the team yet are in the last year of their contract and have now become a transfer target from a bigger club, who prefer to wait and steal or force a cheap sale with the player threatening to see out his contract and go for free.

This is what we're up against and there's no crystal ball that can identify which players will turn in to diamonds and who will turn into glass until that contractual ink is dried.

I'd sooner we tie players to longer contracts that shorter one's.
The mere fact that we are over stocked in testament to the club's willingness to buy in regardless of the fact that some can be argued to be nothing other than dressing room fly-by's.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Mbemba is quality. He's a potential set in partner for Lejeune and/or Lascelles and/or Clarke.
Basically a way better than average 4 CB's.

However, you have strayed off the actual topic we were all debating, which was Charnley and co being buffoons for giving long contracts to crap players, apparently.

The argument is, do we buy the crap knowing they are crap or did we buy them in the hope they would turn out to be worth it and also have enough contract to make sure we don't get held to ransom for their services, by other clubs.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
What contracts are all the players on who Rafa bought for the championship?
1 year? 2 year? 3 year? 4 year? 5 year?


You see, Matz Sels has a 5 year contract on 35,000 a week. Rafa's player.
Ciaran Clarke on 5years.
Grant Hanley on 5 years.
Matt Ritchie on 5 years.
Yedlin on 5 years.
Hayden 5 years.
Lazaar 5 years.


Are any of them worth 5 years and if so, which one's?

You see, this isn't just about Charnley and co. It's about the entire set up and having to take risks.

Now that I'm getting at is; if we only put some players on short term contracts and they eventually turn out to excel or even progress, only to find that they have become an integral part of the team yet are in the last year of their contract and have now become a transfer target from a bigger club, who prefer to wait and steal or force a cheap sale with the player threatening to see out his contract and go for free.

This is what we're up against and there's no crystal ball that can identify which players will turn in to diamonds and who will turn into glass until that contractual ink is dried.

I'd sooner we tie players to longer contracts that shorter one's.
The mere fact that we are over stocked in testament to the club's willingness to buy in regardless of the fact that some can be argued to be nothing other than dressing room fly-by's.

Rafa only selects the players in order of choice. Ashley and Charnley agree the contracts. Rafa isn't involved with the contracts.

[ghostrider]

Rafa only selects the players in order of choice. Ashley and Charnley agree the contracts. Rafa isn't involved with the contracts.

Would it not be fair to say that Rafa would be the man to edge a player over the line if the terms are not to the players liking?
Is it not Rafa who bought the supposed short term gap fillers for the championship and would know that 5 year deals are not on the agenda and would say so?

Fair do's getting Rafa off the entire hook but To be fair, I'm not letting him have it all his own way in terms of being Mr untouchable just because of who he is.
I dearly want the bloke to succeed but he needs to understand that he's managing Newcastle United, not real Madrid or Liverpool or Chelsea, etc...meaning he has to accept being part of the bargain as far as recruitment goes and equally take the pressure when a juggling act is required.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Would it not be fair to say that Rafa would be the man to edge a player over the line if the terms are not to the players liking?
Is it not Rafa who bought the supposed short term gap fillers for the championship and would know that 5 year deals are not on the agenda and would say so?

Fair do's getting Rafa off the entire hook but To be fair, I'm not letting him have it all his own way in terms of being Mr untouchable just because of who he is.
I dearly want the bloke to succeed but he needs to understand that he's managing Newcastle United, not real Madrid or Liverpool or Chelsea, etc...meaning he has to accept being part of the bargain as far as recruitment goes and equally take the pressure when a juggling act is required.

Well apparently the way it was set up was for Rafa to totally run the entire football side and therefor list players names he wants for particular positions or functions and for Charnley's department to get them over the line preferably top choice first.

I would imagine that Ashley has a real total input on the final figure of total fees and costs as well as wages over the entire contract.

The "juggling" Rafa has to do is to finish up with the squad numbers allowed by discarding players he has no future for but hoping that Charnley can move these on. Charnley's big handicap is that he was never a football man and was without contacts therefor starting from scratch as perhaps some of us on here could have done.

Too big a step up for a former tea boy.