Quote Originally Posted by Heliosphan View Post
Why don't you google "grooming gang statistics" and post your findings you anti-white racist idiot. You, and people like you, are the exact reason this was swept under the carpet for years in Rotherham and other places. Your own MP can see it, why can't you?
Hi Heliosphan,

Not sure why the abuse? How does that help?

Always wanting to learn more I did what you asked and put "grooming gang statistics" into Google and looked into the top two results:

1. The Children's Society
https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/...oaAqjdEALw_wcB

This is quite a general article focusing on child ***ual exploitation overall rather than focusing on grooming gangs but it found that regarding all types of ***ual abuse (for shouldn't we be focusing our anger on all types of ***ual abuse?) these are the common traits of abusers:
-An adult or another young person
-Male or female
-Any ethnicity
-Visible in everyday life
-Articulate, plausible and ‘savvy’

2. FullFact.org
https://fullfact.org/crime/grooming-...caArDZEALw_wcB

This is more focused on 'gang related grooming' and is very interesting. They focused on two reports with some conclusions on racial groups of offenders.

Firstly the OCC inquiry which "looked at child ***ual exploitation committed in England by gangs and other groups.". It found that:
36% of perpetrators of gang or group related ***ual violence were white
27% were asian
16% were of an undisclosed ethnicity.
The majority of child victims of gang or group related ***ual violence (60%) were recorded as "white", with unknown making up the second largest category at 14%."

The CEOP report also focused on police data to look at patterns of abuse in gang grooming and found that "According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of ***ually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups:

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.
24% of group-members were under 20, and 53% were between 20 and 30.
67% of the groups were of four or fewer men"

Fullfact.org noted that there were a couple of reporting issues that should be taken into account:

1. (from the OCC ...during site visits it was apparent that agencies frequently focused on the model of ***ual exploitation identified in high profile cases such as those in Derby and Rochdale. Perpetrators, like victims, had similar individual characteristics to those featured in those cases. As a result this was the specific pattern of abuse professionals looked out for. They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were 'Asian' without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as 'Asian' but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

2. The report also identified similar tendencies when profiling victims, with professionals sometimes mistakenly characterising them as being predominantly white even when this wasn't the case.

3. There's also evidence to suggest that the data is skewed by a tendency of authorities to record the ethnicity of some groups more often than others - the OCC report also said that "it is evident that data are more proactively gathered on men and boys of Pakistani and Kurdish origin".

4. And the recorded crimes might not reflect the nature of all the crimes that take place. As part of its research the OCC interviewed children and young people whose abusers had generally never been charged. It found what it called a "significant gap" between their experiences and recorded data.

5. That applies equally to details about the victims themselves - there's some reason to suspect that children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse than White British children. This was a concern raised in the Rotherham report, which recommended greater engagement with Pakistani communities to help encourage victims to come forward.


Are these the articles, and is this the data, that you are guiding us to? It certainly tells us that there is an over-representation of 'Asian' men in the crime data on this particular aspect of rape but it also gives us a fuller picture of the issue.

I think you (and some others) might be mis-understanding the thrust of what Brassnat was saying: that gang grooming is one part of the overall huge problem of rape and awful as it is, I don't see why we should focus on one particular aspect of rape and not make any mention or acknowledgement of the others? I am far from saying that we should not be proactive in dealing openly and honestly with the issues Champion raises, but I agree with her that we should not allow the issue to be hijacked by any anti-Muslim agenda that can't distinguish between the criminal minority and the law abiding majority of the Muslim population.