O/T Grenfell Enquiry

[TheBlackHorse]

... Mr S: you know full well what a blood-suckling lawyer is. Do you think they really care about the grieving souls. They're looking for any angle to have their moment in the spotlight and coin some dirty money.
The race bit starts where some say an all white steering group can't be impartial. Including a non white with little experience of running an enquiry is token pandering to the PC mob. What we need, at this Stage 1, are facts and evidence. Later stages can look at legislation and the like before anything else. Some don't realise there is proper process-for heavens sake, Hilborough showed everyone that.

[sidders]

... Mr S: you know full well what a blood-suckling lawyer is. Do you think they really care about the grieving souls. They're looking for any angle to have their moment in the spotlight and coin some dirty money.
The race bit starts where some say an all white steering group can't be impartial. Including a non white with little experience of running an enquiry is token pandering to the PC mob. What we need, at this Stage 1, are facts and evidence. Later stages can look at legislation and the like before anything else. Some don't realise there is proper process-for heavens sake, Hilborough showed everyone that.

Suggest you look up the meaning of suckling for starters.

[tarquinbeech]

Suggest you look up the meaning of suckling for starters.

I'm pretty sure that the fire regs imposed on high-rise buildings......was imposed by Labour over 10 years ago....ooops

Now we have to see if a Tory government stuck to them......interesting stuff

[sidders]

I'm pretty sure that the fire regs imposed on high-rise buildings......was imposed by Labour over 10 years ago....ooops

Now we have to see if a Tory government stuck to them......interesting stuff

After 7 years of Tory rule, some plonkers still seek to blame Labour for the state of Britain. If the existing fire regs were inadequate, I would argue that there has been plenty of time to put them right.

[i961pie]

After 7 years of Tory rule, some plonkers still seek to blame Labour for the state of Britain. If the existing fire regs were inadequate, I would argue that there has been plenty of time to put them right.

Didn't Labour after 10 years in power still blame Thatcher etc.?
It is not just a Tory thing Sid, they all do it. If and when Corbyn gets in (shudders at the thought) he will do the same.

[tarquinbeech]

After 7 years of Tory rule, some plonkers still seek to blame Labour for the state of Britain. If the existing fire regs were inadequate, I would argue that there has been plenty of time to put them right.

The "state of Britain"?.....no, I said the fire regs.....you are the one seeking to make this a Political issue, by bringing Tory MPs into this....I was merely responding.

The enquiry will find the culprits, hopefully, and I strongly suspect that it was cost-cutting measures on the type of cladding used, that was to blame....though, how anyone thought that wrapping a high-rise in plastic was a good idea, is beyond me.

[sidders]

The "state of Britain"?.....no, I said the fire regs.....you are the one seeking to make this a Political issue, by bringing Tory MPs into this....I was merely responding.

The enquiry will find the culprits, hopefully, and I strongly suspect that it was cost-cutting measures on the type of cladding used, that was to blame....though, how anyone thought that wrapping a high-rise in plastic was a good idea, is beyond me.

For f***s sake, Beechy, this IS a political issue, however you look at it. Please define political in your lexicon. In mine it'd to do with the distribution of power.
My substantive point was that 7 years should be enough time to right the wrongs.

[sidders]

Didn't Labour after 10 years in power still blame Thatcher etc.?
It is not just a Tory thing Sid, they all do it. If and when Corbyn gets in (shudders at the thought) he will do the same.

Old Pie, what Thatcher did was to change the very basis of government. She slashed state spending and glorified competition and private enterprise at what cost. What she and Reagan did was to dehumanise the caring state. She can be blamed for so much, even Blair.
May only has months to run so prepare yourself for a rude awakening when the left tries to make money serve people and not the other way round.

[i961pie]

Old Pie, what Thatcher did was to change the very basis of government. She slashed state spending and glorified competition and private enterprise at what cost. What she and Reagan did was to dehumanise the caring state. She can be blamed for so much, even Blair.
May only has months to run so prepare yourself for a rude awakening when the left tries to make money serve people and not the other way round.

Utopia awaits

[tarquinbeech]

For f***s sake, Beechy, this IS a political issue, however you look at it. Please define political in your lexicon. In mine it'd to do with the distribution of power.
My substantive point was that 7 years should be enough time to right the wrongs.

Forgive me Sid if I DON'T see this as a political issue.....I'd much rather wait until I see the findings of the enquiry, and what the current government will do as a result....ok with you?

If contractors or local councilors deliberately substituted inferior cladding....then I want to see jail sentences