Very disappointing today - no quality

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I watched it in a bar in Corralejo with a couple of Swansea fans. We all agreed Swansea wanted it more, which is not really good enough is it?

Vokes was poor though!

[Claret_Matelot]

I watched it on line.... Did Hendricks play????? Once again a ghost in midfield..

[sinkov]

and I thought Sanches, Rangel, Britton, Fer and Bony....were also ****e today.

Yes, but I'm not moaning about

[sinkov]

My Ipad was playing up which caused the above post, so I'll have another go from my PC.

Quote Originally Posted by Norder
"and I thought Sanches, Rangel, Britton, Fer and Bony....were also ****e today."

Yes but I'm not moaning about Swansea Norder, it's the Burnley moanathon I'm posting about, besides which as Swansea have a wage budget virtually three times bigger than ours, they should be far better able to cope with an injury crisis than we are shouldn't they ?

My point is, if you could go back to earlier in the season when we were going well, and before most of the injuries had kicked in, and asked any Burnley fan, 'Take Heaton, Defour, Tarkowski, Wood, Brady and Ward out of this team, and what sort of team do you think we would have ?' I think the unanimous answer would have been 'Probably not a very good one.'

So we've lost those six players, and we find our team is not very good without them. Why is anyone surprised ?

[army88]

My Ipad was playing up which caused the above post, so I'll have another go from my PC.

Quote Originally Posted by Norder
"and I thought Sanches, Rangel, Britton, Fer and Bony....were also ****e today."

Yes but I'm not moaning about Swansea Norder, it's the Burnley moanathon I'm posting about, besides which as Swansea have a wage budget virtually three times bigger than ours, they should be far better able to cope with an injury crisis than we are shouldn't they ?

My point is, if you could go back to earlier in the season when we were going well, and before most of the injuries had kicked in, and asked any Burnley fan, 'Take Heaton, Defour, Tarkowski, Wood, Brady and Ward out of this team, and what sort of team do you think we would have ?' I think the unanimous answer would have been 'Probably not a very good one.'

So we've lost those six players, and we find our team is not very good without them. Why is anyone surprised ?

Couldn't agree more Sinkov , I think the frustration is we didn't improve the team in the window when we knew the situation that was arising, I know we got Lennon and George but up top ŵe can't score goals. ( Brady and Defour is massive loss for us ) .

[Altobelli]

Heaton being out makes no difference really to team performance, D4 and Tarks have only been out 2/3 games, Ward longer, Wood even longer and Brady the longest.

Even when Wood and Brady were in the team some "performances" from the team were dire, West Brom home, Palace home which we won but still poor stuff, along with Huddersfield and West Ham at home and a few more.

So even with a full compliment of players some boring displays, the odd off game comes along but surely not as many as we have had, the defence mostly is/was resolute, the craft/Guile/creativity nearly non existent, and the times I've Prayed for a goal as its looked for all to see that we lack greatly in that department is completely obvious.

I like Sean Dyche, and all he's done for our Club, but he is fallible the same as everyone else, I don't join most in the saying "In Dyche we trust" and "Whatever he decides is good enough for me", We have a right to question everything he does, says and how he reacts.

He's a good talker is our Sean (A great politician he'd have made), once he said the boys who are waiting for their chance, when it comes just walk into the team and do their job, but last week he changed his tune with "some of these lads are learning to play with each other".

A few of Dyches buys have bee good, just as many have been just fill in's to make the numbers up, which I put firmly at Dyche's door.

Why the hell did we get Wells when Barnes and Vokes are not being effective ? to come on in the last 8 minutes to turn it around ?

Same with NK, he may be an answer, he may be rubbish, but we wont know if he's not given a chance.

We keep persevering with Hendrick time after time when he's obviously not good enough, I'm also feeling Cork has been off his game in the last few games.

[army88]

Heaton being out makes no difference really to team performance, D4 and Tarks have only been out 2/3 games, Ward longer, Wood even longer and Brady the longest.

Even when Wood and Brady were in the team some "performances" from the team were dire, West Brom home, Palace home which we won but still poor stuff, along with Huddersfield and West Ham at home and a few more.

So even with a full compliment of players some boring displays, the odd off game comes along but surely not as many as we have had, the defence mostly is/was resolute, the craft/Guile/creativity nearly non existent, and the times I've Prayed for a goal as its looked for all to see that we lack greatly in that department is completely obvious.

I like Sean Dyche, and all he's done for our Club, but he is fallible the same as everyone else, I don't join most in the saying "In Dyche we trust" and "Whatever he decides is good enough for me", We have a right to question everything he does, says and how he reacts.

He's a good talker is our Sean (A great politician he'd have made), once he said the boys who are waiting for their chance, when it comes just walk into the team and do their job, but last week he changed his tune with "some of these lads are learning to play with each other".

A few of Dyches buys have bee good, just as many have been just fill in's to make the numbers up, which I put firmly at Dyche's door.

Why the hell did we get Wells when Barnes and Vokes are not being effective ? to come on in the last 8 minutes to turn it around ?

Same with NK, he may be an answer, he may be rubbish, but we wont know if he's not given a chance.

We keep persevering with Hendrick time after time when he's obviously not good enough, I'm also feeling Cork has been off his game in the last few games.

Too much is laid at Corks door when Defour doesn't play ( Defour is head and shoulders better footballer than anything in our team ).
Against City I thought Cork did well finishing the game strongly tbh but wasn't there yesterday so can't comment on that.
It's a fine line I think between open football and how we play ---- Dyche is defensive first and always will be regardless of the quality of our players --- frustrations for many are we may as well lose 3-2 and contribute to the game as lose 1-0 to a deflection and be boring.

[sinkov]

I'm not disputing most of what you say Alto, mistakes have been made, some things could have been handled better, but no manager is perfect, none of them gets everything right, and Dyche is fallible like all of them. He is in a very difficult situation though, we might have more money than ever before, but it remains a fact that most of the other clubs in this division can blow us out of the water financially however much we spend. It's done him no good at all getting us up to 4th, the expectation level has gone through the roof and the idea that we can become, not only established in this division, but a top 10 team playing good, attacking football is taking hold.

It's sheer fantasy, we've had a good run, but we will never become established at this level, we will always be just one bad season away from relegation, and in the meantime we'll just have to live with hoping we stay relatively injury free, and scrabbling to pick up points wherever and however we can. Finances dictate at this level, we'll always struggle, earlier this season was as good as it's ever going to get, now we're back to reality, and it's no good moaning about it, that's the way it is.

[Supersub6]

Aye, we went to Swansea and lost to a team who are in their 7th consecutive season in the PL with all the financial benefits that that entails --to say nothing of the wealth of the owners.
I agree sinkov that the expectation levels have risen to levels of fantasy with many fans but our manager is still just looking at an improvement on last season --which I think we will manage!

[outwoodclaret]

I really don’t see the problem. Nothing that a good couple of home games against Southampton and Everton can not put right. Would I rather be a Burnley fan knowing our financial limitations or a Chelsea fan just having got dicked 0-3 at home by Bournemouth and then 4-1 away at Watford. Not fine margins these.