O/T Its surprising how people vote

[KerrAvon]

I thought you had more sense Exile than to respond in the 1st place to this Kerr Avon I'm sure you've more knowledge about the NHS in your little finger than this UKIP voter has, it's only after confrontation . Wish it would go away then I'll make a come back and talk shyte and football agean.

Ah... Socialism in action - if people don't agree with you insult them and try to marginalise them so that you don't have to deal with the uncomfortable truths that go with reality..

[upthecolliers]

I'll just say this "i'm to owd a cat to be fcuked by a kitten".

[lk311]

I'll just say this "i'm to owd a cat to be fcuked by a kitten".

What a great saying, never heard it before, but I'll use it.

[animallittle3]

The question you have to ask yourself is whether the country can continue to afford NHS ‘rights’ for employees. Chief among them will be the NHS defined benefits pension. Like most such schemes, it is becoming too expensive for the same reason that the NHS is in trouble, which is that people live longer. Such schemes were fine when a person might only be expected to live for 10 years after retirement, but when that figure extends to 15 or 20 years they become prohibitively expensive. Many company schemes have been closed to new members for that very reason (in the private sector, the problem has been exacerbated by the poor investment performance of the funds themselves).

The agenda is to cut the costs of the NHS in order to be able to maintain the delivery of services. If it was privatisation, the Trusts would simply outsource by ringing up the likes of Serco or Amey or Mitie and inviting them to tender for the work.

And what is your objection to privatisation, if it isn't simply ideological?

Chasing profit at the expense of people's health is my concern .

Neither am I comfortable with people making money out of children with meningitis etc etc .

This isn't a train service or the post office , we are talking about human life here and the quality of it .

We also need to remind ourselves why the NHS was created in the first place , to provide free at the point of service medical attention to anyone who requires it .

I'm hardly convinced the privatisation of former state owned services and industries have delivered any advantages to their end users , Branson's train service ran efficiently and was profitable until he got his hands on it .

Carrillion went bust leaving hospitals un-built , other train network's significantly increase prices every year , don't even get me started on utilities .

The electorate were sold a scam in the 80's and early 90's and fell for it hook , line and sinker which is why the tories dare not privatise the NHS in quite the same way , if it was so popular and an election winner they'd have rolled it out already wouldn't they ? .

Better to go down the back door route isn't it and as type this negotiations are going on to tie any new governments into 15 year contracts that are very expensive to exit from with potential private investors , I'll leave you to figure out who that is aimed at .

Not for me .

[yorkshireborn]

Well aren't you lucky that you could afford £1400 to jump the queue
Don't you find it odd that apparently the same consultant could not fit you in,but wave £1400 & hey presto
I don't blame you for going down that route as I would have done the same but it doesn't make it right
Had the consultant been wholly private that would have been a different case
The point is in my opinion that whilst most of us would have done the same it shouldn't be possible to do so
Just remember that whilst jumping the queue you actually moved someone else back one place & next time someone with more money than you will return the compliment so to speak
It really is Toryism personified
What if the "fee" had been £14000,then what?

sell the house. when you see your lass every night in tears cos of the pain and unable to sleep or sit properly you will do what ever you need to do.
how many of you have life insurance just think for a few quid more you could have medical insurance.
im all for the nhs but it has to be made to work for the ones that need it not the ones that dont need it the amount of ops and procedures that are unnecessary are overloading the NHS and bleeding it dry.

[lk311]

Chasing profit at the expense of people's health is my concern .

Neither am I comfortable with people making money out of children with meningitis etc etc .

This isn't a train service or the post office , we are talking about human life here and the quality of it .

We also need to remind ourselves why the NHS was created in the first place , to provide free at the point of service medical attention to anyone who requires it .

I'm hardly convinced the privatisation of former state owned services and industries have delivered any advantages to their end users , Branson's train service ran efficiently and was profitable until he got his hands on it .

Carrillion went bust leaving hospitals un-built , other train network's significantly increase prices every year , don't even get me started on utilities .

The electorate were sold a scam in the 80's and early 90's and fell for it hook , line and sinker which is why the tories dare not privatise the NHS in quite the same way , if it was so popular and an election winner they'd have rolled it out already wouldn't they ? .

Better to go down the back door route isn't it and as type this negotiations are going on to tie any new governments into 15 year contracts that are very expensive to exit from with potential private investors , I'll leave you to figure out who that is aimed at .

Not for me .

Carillon is irrelevant they went bust because they under quoted and mismanaged projects and in history of NHS they have always used contractors to build Hospitals.
Fair to say you make a point with the Trains and Utiliites though.

[animallittle3]

Carillon is irrelevant they went bust because they under quoted and mismanaged projects and in history of NHS they have always used contractors to build Hospitals.
Fair to say you make a point with the Trains and Utiliites though.

Yes your right Ik311 , point made badly in that respect .

I'm just left wondering what would happen if Barnsley Hospital went bust under privatisation and that was the point I was trying to raise .

[Romared]

No comment from the Poster who started this and similar posts ? I wonder why , posts like this will bring all sorts of arguments , and rightly so , people have different views on life and all around , but it inevitably starts to get unsavoury to say the least, Kinder never relates to anything Football ? He's an Owls fan hell bent on causing upset on our Forum ,

[KerrAvon]

Chasing profit at the expense of people's health is my concern .

Neither am I comfortable with people making money out of children with meningitis etc etc .

This isn't a train service or the post office , we are talking about human life here and the quality of it .

We also need to remind ourselves why the NHS was created in the first place , to provide free at the point of service medical attention to anyone who requires it .

I'm hardly convinced the privatisation of former state owned services and industries have delivered any advantages to their end users , Branson's train service ran efficiently and was profitable until he got his hands on it .

Carrillion went bust leaving hospitals un-built , other train network's significantly increase prices every year , don't even get me started on utilities .

The electorate were sold a scam in the 80's and early 90's and fell for it hook , line and sinker which is why the tories dare not privatise the NHS in quite the same way , if it was so popular and an election winner they'd have rolled it out already wouldn't they ? .

Better to go down the back door route isn't it and as type this negotiations are going on to tie any new governments into 15 year contracts that are very expensive to exit from with potential private investors , I'll leave you to figure out who that is aimed at .

Not for me .

Ah... so it is an ideological issue for you. That's why the cross party committee suggested by ESR wouldn't work. It would be a room full of ideologues who would simply fall out. Perhaps the Labour delegation would take Exile along as their figures man, in which case it would quickly kick off.

If profit is concerned, you needn’t have too many worries. Probably the best known provider of private health care in the UK, BUPA, started life as the British Union of Provident Associations and, as you would expect from an organisation that has the history suggested by its old name, runs as a not-for-profit company. The largest supplier of private hospital beds in the UK, Nuffield Health also runs on a not-for-profit basis, which is what you would expect given that it is a charity. Even in the bastion of the free market, the USA, the majority of health care is provided by not-for-profit bodies.

I see you pick a nicely emotive example with the example of a child with meningitis. How about an example such as colliers having his piles sorted out (something must explain his appalling attitude towards other)? The fact is that there is already an element of profit in such treatments. The drugs used in both treatments will be provided by the likes of GSK, Roche and Bayer. The hospital will be equipped with products from private companies. And, of course, your own Patrick Cryne was involved in a number of contracts to provide IT to the NHS. Your Saturday afternoon entertainment will have been partly funded by the profits from that.

Even if we stick with your example of a child with meningitis, if that treatment could be delivered as well for less by a private provider, what is wrong with that? Do you think the child’s parents would care?

I commute by train almost every day and have been a regular rail user since the early 80s. If you think British Rail provided a decent or even barely acceptable service, you are wrong. Rail in this country is streets ahead (no pun intended) of where it was before privatisation. As for the utilities, why don’t you get started on them? The fact is that neither of us can know whether we would have been better or worse off had they remained in state ownership. For my part, I am of the opinion that we would be paying more for a worse service had ownership remained in state owned, over-manned, restrictive practice riddled monopolies. You, I know, will choose to believe otherwise as you are the follower of a party that wants to return us to the 70s.

I see you have a conspiracy theory concerning the privatisation of the NHS. Do you think the public wouldn’t notice if companies that were wholly owned by NHS Trusts were sold off?

[yorkshireborn]

No comment from the Poster who started this and similar posts ? I wonder why , posts like this will bring all sorts of arguments , and rightly so , people have different views on life and all around , but it inevitably starts to get unsavoury to say the least, Kinder never relates to anything Football ? He's an Owls fan hell bent on causing upset on our Forum ,

ya he just like to bleet on about his beloved labour party and how brexit is the end of humanity.