ramAnag - Hang on, this isn't even the Brexit thread and you are going on about Brexit here!!! If that aint carping, I'm not sure what is!! Maybe its haddocking or pilcharding. I know I am guilty of perching, and you are now floundering, but after today's agreement it looks a wrasseing certainty that its going to proceed. See we can even have a fish competition without a Sammon to base it on