Chris Wilder High on Sunderlands list for new manager

[FatherKnowsBest]

There's always been comment about selfless individuals keeping clubs afloat through thin and thinner.

Serious question.

How many clubs in the PL/EFL have folded,ceased trading, no longer exist within those 92 clubs?

I'm not sure you're asking a serious question quite that crass, TT.

In the last 20 years this is a list of the British clubs who have been in administration (no longer able to meet their financial obligations).

Aldershot Town
Barnsley
Boston United
Bournemouth 3 times
Bradford City, 2 times
Cambridge United
Chester City, 2 times
Coventry City, 2 times
Crawley Town
Crystal Palace, 2 times
Darlington, 2 times
Doncaster Rovers
Farsley Celtic, 2 times
Halifax Town, 2 times
Hull City
Ipswich Town
Leeds United, 2 times
Leicester City
Luton Town
Millwall
Northwich Victoria
Notts County
Plymouth Argyle
Port Vale
Portsmouth, 3 times
Queens Park Rangers
Rotherham United, 2 times
Rushden and Diamonds,
Salisbury City
Southampton
Stockport County
Weymouth
Wimbledon
Wrexham
York City

Bearing in mind that these clubs survived only by the sale of their assets at a knock down price, with all their creditors, usually small local businesses getting coppers in the pound of work and services provided in good faith. The 'selfless owners' all lost their investment. I think only two or three clubs disappeared completely. In fact you can add the oinkers to this list, although they didn't enter administration, they came to an arrangement with the Co-op and forced it on their other creditors. Administration in all but name.

Are you really suggesting this as a business plan? What size are you in a straight-jacket?

[tomytony]

I was not proposing it as a way forward or a business plan at all so no need to get one of your old strait jackets out of the wardrobe.

What I was asking, and trying to point out,as a general point, not about SUFC, is that, for all the scare mongering about how clubs would fold, how they would be doomed, gone forever, be the end of the world for that club i.e taking the extreme point of view of having grave financial problems that would FINISH them, there are few, if any, that no longer exist regardless of what they have been through.

It's interesting that 5 of those named are in the same division as us and 4 in the PL and all the rest are still going ( I think) so having off field problems is not the end of the world as it is so often portrayed.

For the avoidance of doubt it has NOTHING to do with SUFC and the question should have been more specific as in " How many no longer exist?"

Thanks for the research FKB.

[herbert]

He'll leave tomorrow, after all the STs have been renewed.

[tomytony]

He'll leave tomorrow, after all the STs have been renewed.

Cynicism or ITK Herbert?

[herbert]

Not ITK. Don't even think he'll leave tbh, although nothing would surprise you with this club.

But they better sort this mess out ASAP. And then back him adequately.

[bulmer1889]

Although aldershot,Darlington and Chester are playing these days the clubs were dissolved and had to start again Scarborough were the same as for those that disappeared rushden and diamonds and Hereford United I think may have gone but I'm not 100% sure on this


Edit Hereford won the southern premier league title this season but not sure that's the Hereford United

After a bit of digging I've found AFC rushden and diamonds in the evo stick southern league but as above they were dissolved and a new company formed

[Holden_C]

Although aldershot,Darlington and Chester are playing these days the clubs were dissolved and had to start again Scarborough were the same as for those that disappeared rushden and diamonds and Hereford United I think may have gone but I'm not 100% sure on this


Edit Hereford won the southern premier league title this season but not sure that's the Hereford United

After a bit of digging I've found AFC rushden and diamonds in the evo stick southern league but as above they were dissolved and a new company formed

The original Pigs company no longer exists and the company that trades as them was formed in 1993.

Not really anything to do with the conversation, just a reminder to the scruffy pig tramps who skulk on here that their "history" was tranferred to a business that's only 25 years old NOW! A bit like MK Dons. No wonder the football Gods decided to screw up the"150th" anniversary celebrations.

A period of time they've never achieved an average attendance of 30,000 btw.

[FatherKnowsBest]

... so having off field problems is not the end of the world as it is so often portrayed.

Several clubs have had a series of administrations, with hard times in-between, and relegations. So whilst its not always 'the end' its outcome can last many years. Teams like Leicester, managed to breeze in and out of admin, but there were no points deductions and fines in place at the time. Currently there is no collection of circumstances in which administration can have anything but a significantly damaging effect.

[tomytony]

Several clubs have had a series of administrations, with hard times in-between, and relegations. So whilst its not always 'the end' its outcome can last many years. Teams like Leicester, managed to breeze in and out of admin, but there were no points deductions and fines in place at the time. Currently there is no collection of circumstances in which administration can have anything but a significantly damaging effect.

I wasn't arguing that point. Just saying that very few, if any had ceased to exist in one form or other.

Indeed some prospered albeit at the expense of others.

Wasn't it Warnock who sai d that there should be sanctions when we played Leicester (2004/5??) after they had escaped any punishment and then, the following year, they were introduced?

[Longshortandtall]

Back on topic, panic on S24su as one betting firm suspends betting on CW for Sunderland job. Rumour he's talking to Sunderland which seems highly unlikely as the new regime is not in place yet.