Tommy Robinson

[Andy_Faber]

I think you’re, untypically, confusing a couple of issues here Andy and would like to introduce a few facts.

1. Grooming gangs exist...they are usually made up of Asian - predominantly Pakistani - males who would describe themselves as Muslim and the fact that, for a long period of time some sort of misguided political correctness sought to deny the existence of such organised abuse is something those responsible should be ashamed of.

2. Child abuse has been endemic within the Catholic Church which is - in the British Isles at least - predominantly white, for many, many years. There has been a huge cover up orchestrated from within to protect both the Church itself and those within the Establishment who subscribe to Catholicism and again those responsible, at whatever level, should be ashamed of themselves.

3. Transcending all this is the fact that, even now and statistically speaking, most child abuse in this country is actually perpetrated by white men, all too regularly within the family group and far from being gang or institution based takes an individual and more solitary form.

These are all aspects of child abuse which, in the past, I have had professional experience of.
I am always disgusted, in equal measure and as most of us are, by all aspects of child ***ual abuse however there is no way that we can allow organisations such as the EDL and individuals like Tommy Robinson (and, by implication, DCFCA) to hijack one aspect of such abuse to further their bullying racist cause.
The notion that all Pakistani/Muslim males are potential ‘groomers’ is as ridiculous as the suggestion that all Catholics want to put their hands up a choirboys cassock or that you and I, as (I think) white ‘family men’ are potential abusers.

Child abuse exists in virtually all cultures. It takes different forms but the impact on victims remains much the same regardless of method. Showing sympathy for the likes of Robinson/Yaxley Lennon/Harris etc in his identification of the child abuse indulged in by one particular culture achieves nothing other than to add credence to the BNP/EDL myths and further divide an already increasingly divided society.

I agree with all of that and respect your greater knowledge/experience, although I still think your statistical comment in 3 is misleading, I think I was trying (badly as usual it appears) to make a slightly different point, and that is that 'organised' behaviour of this kind has been allowed to thrive due to something in the mindsets of 'the establishment' that frankly I cannot comprehend.

[Romanis]

To cut a long story short, why don't we all agree that DCFCA is right?

[ramAnag]

I agree with all of that and respect your greater knowledge/experience, although I still think your statistical comment in 3 is misleading, I think I was trying (badly as usual it appears) to make a slightly different point, and that is that 'organised' behaviour of this kind has been allowed to thrive due to something in the mindsets of 'the establishment' that frankly I cannot comprehend.

Yes, you’re right Andy, there has been a problem there both with grooming gangs and the Catholic Church, but we shouldn’t compound it by allowing right wing bigots to now target a whole ethnic/cultural/religious group because of the actions of a minority.
Tommy Robinson/DCFCA perhaps have every right to say their piece (rather more productively than by just mindlessly regurgitating the words of a football chant imo) but others have an equal right - duty even - to challenge those attempts at alienation and decisiveness.

[ramAnag]

Yes, you’re right Andy, there has been a problem there both with grooming gangs and the Catholic Church, but we shouldn’t compound it by allowing right wing bigots to now target a whole ethnic/cultural/religious group because of the actions of a minority.
Tommy Robinson/DCFCA perhaps have every right to say their piece (rather more productively than by just mindlessly regurgitating the words of a football chant imo) but others have an equal right - duty even - to challenge those attempts at alienation and decisiveness.

Sorry...’divisiveness’ not ‘decisiveness’...bloody predictor text!

[Romanis]

Sorry...’divisiveness’ not ‘decisiveness’...bloody predictor text!

No RA you were right the first time around.
It's his decisiveness that frightens many because he's extremely straightforward and truthful. Many can't deal with it.

[ramAnag]

No RA you were right the first time around.
It's his decisiveness that frightens many because he's extremely straightforward and truthful. Many can't deal with it.

Right...people with at least four aliases, convictions for mortgage fraud and illegal use of a false passport are known for being ‘straightforward and truthful’ aren’t they?

Talk sense Rom...and if you’ve got something sensible to say...say it rather than just sniping from the sidelines.

[Andy_Faber]

Right...people with at least four aliases, convictions for mortgage fraud and illegal use of a false passport are known for being ‘straightforward and truthful’ aren’t they?

Talk sense Rom...and if you’ve got something sensible to say...say it rather than just sniping from the sidelines.

I'm never quite sure if Rom is serious our playing out a role

[Romanis]

I'm never quite sure if Rom is serious our playing out a role

I did sent a PM to all of you to explain my position.

Dunno if you got it, I got no replies?

Just to clarify once and for all.
I've become 'Sarah Sanders/Tariq Aziz' of the forum.
As such I now throw unequivocal support behind Messrs R4J and DcfcA.
I am now their 'legal advisor cum spokesman.'

[Romanis]

Right...
Talk sense Rom...and if you’ve got something sensible to say...say it rather than just sniping from the sidelines.

Now that's a tad unfair. To claim I'm sniping from the sidelines.
I'm just speaking up for those without a voice as I always have, even when Ratflea was in charge.

Being an old fashioned Politburo man, naturally I would be expected to question every pro-Western establishment and media bias.
Anyway it does bring balance to the arguments. At least the 2 gentlemen now have someone else in their corner instead of fighting a lone battle.

[MadAmster]

Romanis!

You aint Tariq Aziz!! He is a Luton born lad who now works in the logistics department of KLM in Amsterdam. The lad is a Soulie and a good friend. Do not tarnish his good name!