D Day for Brexit

[The Bedlington Terrier]

All this Project Fear really is just that.

HMRC will issue VAT deferment notices, have a reciprocal Customs Duty agreement with each individual EU and non-EU trading partners and simply crack on.

Are you seriously suggesting 1959_60 that the Yanks and Germans are going to stop selling us drugs? If you really believe that please ask the quack to change your medication.

Do you think the Chinese, the Japanese, Dutch, Italians and French are not capable of navigating a few trade barriers? Dream on!

[1959_60]

BT, no of course not.

But the NHS import 70% of it's drugs from the EU and friction at the borders could create a crisis. When we need the drugs we need the drugs immediately. Hence the NHS are stockpiling drugs to keep us all safe.

This is reality of a no deal Brexit - the NHS are not indulging in Project Fear 2. Unless you think the NHS are driving a political agenda here?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tors-pqdzrpkxx

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Who do you think the NHS paymasters are 1959-60?

[sinkov]

Thank you for helpfully mis-quoting me yet again 59/60. I didn't quote him at all actually, I reproduced a newspaper headline I had seen, and wondered why an Irish politician was emphasising the problems of no deal for the UK, just days after an IMF report had told the Irish that no deal would mean 50,000 job losses in the Republic. You'd think he'd be more concerned about the impact on his own country wouldn't you, but all contributions are welcome to Project Fear Mk 2.

Why do you keep referring to the Mogg, Boris, Farage etc ? You love your bogey men don't you 59/60, but these people are irrelevant. Farage has nothing to do with anything now, except perhaps boosting beer sales in his local pub. The Mogg is a back bench MP, marginalised even in his own party, the only two Brexiteers with any influence Davis and Boris have given up on the farce, the hapless Raab was brought off the bench as a sub, ten minutes later he was back on the bench, out of the game.

Your lot are in charge now, May, Hammond, Hunt, Robbins, unelected LibDem w@nkers in the Lords, our overwhelmingly Remoanian MPs in the Commons, the whole Soft Brexit Brigade. They're running the show now, and what an entertaining cluster**** it's going to be.

This is what you wished for 59/60, this what you wanted, best of luck with it. It won't bother me, I don't have to work for a living any more, I'll survive quite happily, while the Remoaners can live in a mess of their own making.

[1959_60]

Who do you think the NHS paymasters are 1959-60?

BT, if you were in charge on the NHS I hope that you would be making contingency plans?

Or would you just say "It'll be reet. It's just Project Fear 2. Nothing to worry about".

We'll all find out soon enough anyway. 246 days to Brexit...

[1959_60]

Same here Sinkov. I am a pensioner and hopefully there will be enough in the Governments coffers to continue to pay me once we leave.

As long as the public services that I may need (NHS etc) don't deteriorate any more then I will not be badly impacted whatever happens.

But I am one of those shrinkingly rarer breeds that actually cares about the future of our kids and what kind of legacy we are leaving them.

If Brexit actually delivers a better UK than the one we have now then I would wholeheartedly support it. Do you honestly think it will?
You obviously do. We disagree on this, which is fine.

I believe that generally co-operation is better than competition between nations, for many reasons.

I believe our country was a better place five short years ago - even though we we still trying to recover from the financial crash - and I believe that the ill feeling in the country towards one another and between the UK and European countries will last for years yet.
I predict that we will not win the Eurovision Song Contest again in my lifetime - and surely this fact alone should make us think again

[oldcolner]

59 you calling us Muslims - comical Ali indeed.
My Human Rights are offended!
Donald is one heck of a friend - here today gone tomorrow and Juncker is two different people - before and after lunch.
You and lots of remainders are misquoting Jacob too. He didn’t say that
I like David Davis, Liam Fox and Angela Leadsom. All cool calm and logical.

It won’t be easy but neither was taking Hitler on which was economically disastrous and stopped our trade with much of the world. The war cost us our Empire and bankrupted us however sometime you have to look at more than the economy. The appeasers might have saved our trade, but what would the world be like if they had won! Sieg Heil! No Jews, holiday camps for sinners.

This is about principles not trade. The EU is a curates egg with good bits and very bad bits. We asked them to change, they said no and so the people said goodbye. They are now having to bend and for now are working together on Brexit, but when that’s done it will come crashing down as in fighting resumes and othe countries see how to leave too.

[oldcolner]

BT, no of course not.

But the NHS import 70% of it's drugs from the EU and friction at the borders could create a crisis. When we need the drugs we need the drugs immediately. Hence the NHS are stockpiling drugs to keep us all safe.

This is reality of a no deal Brexit - the NHS are not indulging in Project Fear 2. Unless you think the NHS are driving a political agenda here?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...tors-pqdzrpkxx

It’s right the NHS plans for contingencies. The numbers are open to interpretation. Some of our imports are products made in the UK because of EU rules they are transported to UK warehouses the paperwork says they are being exported and then they are reimported without ever having to leave the UK.
The reason is the EU requires free trade. In the old days companies sold medicines to European countries at different prices
with the affluent ones paying more and the poorer ones paid less. So businesses set up to buy British products from these cheap countries and reimport then back here. Thereby making themselves a profit and giving us medicines labelled in Greek or Spanish at cheaper prices undermining our pharmaceutical industry.
It has developed so now the companies save the money on export costs but put them into a warehouse.
So it may not be quite as bad as you fear. We also buy a lot from the USA and India.
There will be some essential ones we need to stock but for most treatments there are alternatives.

[sinkov]

BT, if you were in charge on the NHS I hope that you would be making contingency plans?

Of course 59/60, we have to make contingency plans, but this is a two way thing. It's not just the UK that has problems if these two sets of morons can't come up with an amicable arrangement for us to continue trading tariff free with each other. The EU is also making contingency plans for their difficulties, but this being done calmly and quietly, no Project Fear on the other side of the Channel.

There have been worries about lorries queues stretching from Dover to London, what about the lorry queues stretching from Calais to Paris, Zeebrugges to Brussels? Not a word.
The Irish have been saying, incorrectly, that our planes wouldn't be able to use Irish airspace. No mention of the dire impact that would have on Aer Lingus or Ryanair.
We've been told our planes wouldn't be able to land in EU countries, no mention of the devastating effect this would have on the tourist industries in Greece, Portugal and Spain to name but three.
We are told there will be a food shortage in the UK, as we import so much of our fruit and veg from the EU. No mention of the devastating impact this would have on the growers and exporters of said fruit and veg in the EU, who depend on the UK market to survive.
Similar problems for Wine, Champagne and Cognac exporters in France, car manufacturers in France, Germany and Italy, wine exporters in numerous EU countries.
I could go on and on, this is a two way thing, problems for both the UK and EU. But while the problems for us hit the headlines every day, it's all quiet over there, their problems are never highlighted, no one moans, no one complains, it's all brushed under the carpet.

Which is why it's called Project Fear Mark 2. That's precisely what it is.

[1959_60]

It’s right the NHS plans for contingencies. The numbers are open to interpretation. Some of our imports are products made in the UK because of EU rules they are transported to UK warehouses the paperwork says they are being exported and then they are reimported without ever having to leave the UK.
The reason is the EU requires free trade. In the old days companies sold medicines to European countries at different prices
with the affluent ones paying more and the poorer ones paid less. So businesses set up to buy British products from these cheap countries and reimport then back here. Thereby making themselves a profit and giving us medicines labelled in Greek or Spanish at cheaper prices undermining our pharmaceutical industry.
It has developed so now the companies save the money on export costs but put them into a warehouse.
So it may not be quite as bad as you fear. We also buy a lot from the USA and India.
There will be some essential ones we need to stock but for most treatments there are alternatives.

So you agree that the NHS are correct to put contingency plans in place and it's not simply operating Project Fear 2? That's an important start OC.

Businesses and the Government are also working on contingency planning to react to the possibility of a no deal Brexit...do you agree that they are right to do this also, and this is not Project Fear 2?

As you know, many businesses work on a "just in time" supply chain which works very well at the moment with a frictionless border with the EU. If there are delays at the borders this will have potentially serious consequences for their future trade. They are simply trying to find ways round this problem. If you were a CEO at one of these companies you would surely be doing something similar...and perhaps you would be insulted if people accused you of operating Project Fear 2?

Burying your head in the sand and pretending that everything will carry on as usual is not an option.