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    Pushing the boat out simply can't happen BECAUSE of the wage structure which is strangling us. I would imagine over 50% of Championship players will be paid more than our team. Why would anyone come to us for less money??
    I would be willing to wager there are no players that could improve our 1st team (when all are fully fit) that are paid less!

    Don't matter if we offer £15 million for a player, he's not going to come & be poorer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haich1889 View Post
    Pushing the boat out simply can't happen BECAUSE of the wage structure which is strangling us. I would imagine over 50% of Championship players will be paid more than our team. Why would anyone come to us for less money??
    I would be willing to wager there are no players that could improve our 1st team (when all are fully fit) that are paid less!

    Don't matter if we offer £15 million for a player, he's not going to come & be poorer.
    I'm not sure we'd ask anyone to take a pay cut to come here, but I don't think we are in a position to blast anyone out the water either. The problem we are facing is that there is a lot of mad money and desperate chairman happy to spend it on the off chance that it will get them up this season. Tufty has made it clear he'll pay market rate, but he wont get into stupid auctions to pay well over the odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    I'm not sure we'd ask anyone to take a pay cut to come here, but I don't think we are in a position to blast anyone out the water either. The problem we are facing is that there is a lot of mad money and desperate chairman happy to spend it on the off chance that it will get them up this season. Tufty has made it clear he'll pay market rate, but he wont get into stupid auctions to pay well over the odds.
    I don't believe Tufty has made this clear at all. In addition, the 'market rate' is, by its very nature, led by the market - so if players at all other Championship clubs are on 10% more than ours, the market rate is going to be higher than what we're paying. And if we refuse to break our wage structure for reasons of 'team spirit', then we'll be offering below the market rate.

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    I suppose, as we don't really know who is getting paid how much, this is all speculation anyway, but its being portrayed that the club is stingy and naive, and that the wage structure is fixed and finite. I don't think it is. CW has indicated in interviews that he has a view on what a player is worth and how far we can sustainably push the boat out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    I suppose, as we don't really know who is getting paid how much, this is all speculation anyway, but its being portrayed that the club is stingy and naive, and that the wage structure is fixed and finite. I don't think it is. CW has indicated in interviews that he has a view on what a player is worth and how far we can sustainably push the boat out.
    I think it was confirmed last year that we had the third lowest wage bill in the league, wasn't it? Although I might be making that up - I'm afraid I'm struggling to find the confirmation that I'd prefer to have.

    Anyway, whilst I appreciate that Tufty is the holder of the purse strings and that it's always easier to spend someone else's money, he can't decide a player's value in isolation. There simply has to be some negotiation.

    If I'm assigning freelancers to a project, I have an idea of what I want to pay them - but if they're all asking for more than what my idea was, I have to work to find a happy medium. The alternative, of course, is that I find someone willing to work for below the market value, but having worked with people like this before it's not something I'd do again - the adage of paying peanuts and getting monkeys is a truism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherKnowsBest View Post
    I suppose, as we don't really know who is getting paid how much, this is all speculation anyway, but its being portrayed that the club is stingy and naive, and that the wage structure is fixed and finite. I don't think it is. CW has indicated in interviews that he has a view on what a player is worth and how far we can sustainably push the boat out.
    We signed Egan from an established Championship club when other clubs were supposedly after him, so I don’t think we’re that far out of kilter with the majority of sides, just the ones who can splash the cash and who expect to be in the promotion shake up.

    It didn’t stop Huddersfield though so there is a way, Chris just needs to figure it out.

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    I think we're seeing the classic case of players not knowing what they're role is because there's too many of them too similar and trying to do the same thing.

    Evans and Lundstram playing together offers us nothing regarding an attacking midfield, but why Fleck is stood alongside them I don't know

    Stevens and Baldock try to get forward because of our style of play but they aren't getting behind the defence often enough, preferring to turn back, and their not consistent enough with their crossing on the odd occasion that they do get into dangerous positions.

    Fleck needs to push 30 yards up the pitch, he can run with the ball, he can pick clever passes and put the ball in behind the full backs for Duffy, Baldock and Stevens or put a ball through for our forwards. He has these qualities so you have to wonder why he isn't doing it

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