OT - Boris Johnson and the Freedom of Speech

[ramAnag]

I didn’t ‘conveniently pluck a practice from 600 years ago’ at all. I chose one of many examples which I also described as historically irrelevant. In case it’s escaped your notice the Quran was written rather longer ago than a mere six hundred years.

So ‘EP, JLL, MJ and BW ARE AND WERE PEDO’s’. Really? Actually they aren’t/weren’t, they were obsessed with under age virgins not pre-pubescent children which is the definition of a *****phile. At least know what the terminology you use actually means and while I may share your condemnation of such behaviour a great many white westerners appear to hold them in the same high esteem regardless.

What am I ‘denying’? I 100% condemn grooming gangs. I also 100% condemn those members of the establishment who tried to cover up what was happening, all too often in the name of political correctness. I just happen to have what I suspect to be a greater professional awareness of the realities of what was going on and I don’t have to rely on a six year old video clip to substantiate my point. Much has changed in that time Tricky, there were, and probably still are some Muslim abusers...likewise there were, and probably still are, abusers within the Catholic community and the higher echelons of the establishment, but you, in your inimitable and obsessive way, will only concentrate on one of those groups. Wonder why?

Finally, if you’re genuinely concerned about the ***ual abuse/exploitation of young people you might wish to concentrate on what’s happened to the Westminster Pa edophile dossier rather than repetitively attacking your usual whipping boys.

[Trickytreesreds]

I didn’t ‘conveniently pluck a practice from 600 years ago’ at all. I chose one of many examples which I also described as historically irrelevant. In case it’s escaped your notice the Quran was written rather longer ago than a mere six hundred years.

So ‘EP, JLL, MJ and BW ARE AND WERE PEDO’s’. Really? Actually they aren’t/weren’t, they were obsessed with under age virgins not pre-pubescent children which is the definition of a *****phile. At least know what the terminology you use actually means and while I may share your condemnation of such behaviour a great many white westerners appear to hold them in the same high esteem regardless.

What am I ‘denying’? I 100% condemn grooming gangs. I also 100% condemn those members of the establishment who tried to cover up what was happening, all too often in the name of political correctness. I just happen to have what I suspect to be a greater professional awareness of the realities of what was going on and I don’t have to rely on a six year old video clip to substantiate my point. Much has changed in that time Tricky, there were, and probably still are some Muslim abusers...likewise there were, and probably still are, abusers within the Catholic community and the higher echelons of the establishment, but you, in your inimitable and obsessive way, will only concentrate on one of those groups. Wonder why?

Finally, if you’re genuinely concerned about the ***ual abuse/exploitation of young people you might wish to concentrate on what’s happened to the Westminster Pa edophile dossier rather than repetitively attacking your usual whipping boys.

Of course I know how long ago the Qu'ran was written.
The point which escapes you, is that the bible in both forms was used as a method of control, just like the Qu'ran is.
That was hundreds of years ago and western society separated politics from religion, as a guiding rule of thumb.
Islam is seen as the only laws man must follow, as the teachings tell them, all mans laws are to be ignored except he rule of God.
In essence, Sharia law.
Now you may not be aware of this, but for a modern culture. Four in ten Muslims want Sharia law in the UK. Half want homo***uality out lawed.

This is the situation now. Look at the crimes being committed under these teachings. What will it be like in another 50 years?
The point which you are avoiding, as you have a dislike of Yaxley Lennon.
Is that every citizen in this country has a right of fair treatment under UK law. Even your beloved EU is supposed to promote that.
He should have been arrested for the right reasons and treated the same as everyone else. He wasn't. He was in prison in less than 5 hours.
There is a reason for that, it is called gagging.

So the question remains. Why does the powers that be(government/Police/Social) hush things up and ignore crimes right under our noses, under the fear of being branded a racist?
Are we going down the Sweden model?
Sweden is imploding with this Liberal "lets hug and love" everyone attitude, when not asking questions. Elections soon in Sweden, lets see what the public think of it there.
Unfortunately, like Germany/Italy/France coalition governments rule, so even the majority miss out.

This is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJX5wSpXCE&t=63s

[ramAnag]

Of course I know how long ago the Qu'ran was written.
The point which escapes you, is that the bible in both forms was used as a method of control, just like the Qu'ran is.
That was hundreds of years ago and western society separated politics from religion, as a guiding rule of thumb.
Islam is seen as the only laws man must follow, as the teachings tell them, all mans laws are to be ignored except he rule of God.
In essence, Sharia law.
Now you may not be aware of this, but for a modern culture. Four in ten Muslims want Sharia law in the UK. Half want homo***uality out lawed.

This is the situation now. Look at the crimes being committed under these teachings. What will it be like in another 50 years?
The point which you are avoiding, as you have a dislike of Yaxley Lennon.
Is that every citizen in this country has a right of fair treatment under UK law. Even your beloved EU is supposed to promote that.
He should have been arrested for the right reasons and treated the same as everyone else. He wasn't. He was in prison in less than 5 hours.
There is a reason for that, it is called gagging.

So the question remains. Why does the powers that be(government/Police/Social) hush things up and ignore crimes right under our noses, under the fear of being branded a racist?
Are we going down the Sweden model?
Sweden is imploding with this Liberal "lets hug and love" everyone attitude, when not asking questions. Elections soon in Sweden, lets see what the public think of it there.
Unfortunately, like Germany/Italy/France coalition governments rule, so even the majority miss out.

This is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbJX5wSpXCE&t=63s

I agree Tricky - step back in amazement! - pretty much all religion came into being as a means of social control and in many ways remains that way. I actually have little time for any of them I just don’t see any huge difference between the teachings of Islam and the teachings of other major religions. Think we’d be better off without any of them tbh, but then I neither need religion in my life or share any aspects of your ‘agenda’.

It’s not a question of disliking Yaxley-Lennon/Robinson or whatever he calls himself. I don’t know him - thankfully - but yes I abhor everything he and his followers stand for and even if you have the tiniest degree of time for what he says - I don’t - one look at his tweets should leave you in no doubt about him being an overtly racist bully boy. Perhaps that appeals to you...personally I think he and the EDL are things we would all be better off without.

Oddly your ‘figures’ about Muslim beliefs as regards homo***uality would probably be replicated in many sections of traditional British society. I’d guess that at least 40% of Mail and Express readers would want the same and a much higher percentage would welcome the return of the death penalty and quite possibly chopping the hands off thieves, especially Pakistani ones. It is a paradox that Parky hints at, whereby hard core Muslims and Jews are actually far closer to the extreme right than any other part of the political spectrum and indeed it seems perfectly reasonable to describe extreme Muslims and Zionists as fascist in outlook. The irony does not escape me.

On the other hand, if the figure is - as you say - 40%, that clearly means that 60% of Muslims don’t subscribe to the views you describe. So, by your own argument, a significant majority of those who refer to themselves as Muslim don’t actually want Sharia law or the outlawing of homo***uality. Maybe we should build on that...educate both the Muslim extremists along with the Mail, Sun and Express readers rather than alienating them and deepening the divide as the likes of you and Yaxley Lennon seem to wish to do.

[Geoff Parkstone]

On the other hand, if the figure is - as you say - 40%, that clearly means that 60% of Muslims don’t subscribe to the views you describe. So, by your own argument, a significant majority of those who refer to themselves as Muslim don’t actually want Sharia law or the outlawing of homo***uality. Maybe we should build on that...educate both the Muslim extremists along with the Mail, Sun and Express readers rather than alienating them and deepening the divide as the likes of you and Yaxley Lennon seem to wish to do.

Lets round that down a bit for the sake of simplification. Lets say 34.73 percent of Muslims want homo***uality made illegal. That clearly means that 65.27% of Muslims don’t subscribe to the views Tricky describes - or have not expressed a view. So, by your own argument, a significant majority of those who refer to themselves as the electorate don’t actually want to stay in the EU. Maybe we should build on that

.... oh hang on, my phraseology has gone all wonky here. you cant have it both ways round!!