O/T Charges Dropped Against Hillsborough Police Officer Bettison

[Exiletyke]

Feck in hell !!!



https://www.theguardian.com/football...orman-bettison

Charges Dropped Against Hillsborough Police Officer Bettison


SIR Norman if you don't mind!

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Charges Dropped Against Hillsborough Police Officer Bettison


SIR Norman if you don't mind!

An establishment cover up ? Or justice served as a result of a change in evidence ?
I guess it depends which side of the fence you sit on in this particular case, if you weren't involved that day you'll never really know the truth of it, bit like Orgreave.

I think that as a result of the treatment dished out by certain sections of the police during the strike, and especially at Orgreave, there are those in South Yorkshire who will readily point the finger in that direction.
However, this 'duty of care' nonsense really gets my goat. For example - The 1974 Health and Safety at Work act places a duty on employers to look after it's workforce and anyone else affected by it's operation. But it also places a duty on the employee to co operate with the employer and look after themselves and others.
In other words we look after you, but you look after yourself and those around you.
This duty of care business is a two way street but is too often used one way. A trespasser breaks into a flooded quarry site and drowns, is it his fault or the fault of the landowner for not having enough security in place ? What is ever enough when people are determined to get in ? And the fans on that day were determined to get in weren't they ?

People are responsible for their own acts or omissions, and will have to live with the consequences whichever side of the fence their on.

What happened at Hillsborough was a terrible heart wrenching tragedy, in my opinion the decision to herd the Liverpool fans into those pens by the police was disastrous. But the many fans who turned up a few minutes before kick off, pushing and shoving their way into the ground weren't exactly blameless were they.
I think there was fault on many sides, just my opinion of course.

[pass_and_move]

He's got a point though. Nobody made those fans charge that gangway like a rampaging herd of Elephants.

Elephants never forget and it's a good job the families of the victims didn't forget. They persued justice against all odds in what looked like a hopeless case after being systematically lied to, insulted and villified by the establishment

Human nature is to do what those fans did. Massive cup game, big traffic delays, late in, frustrated, crushed artside, eager not to miss owt. Many of us would not think twice in those circumstances. The police were there to protect the public and failed miserably due to an inexperienced chief superintendent and a clear lack of respect for football supporters in general.

It's a horrible tragedy at the end of the day but the persistent lies get my back up. Its perjury at the end of the day and that is a very serious offence which should be dealt with accordingly. It's a fekkin disgrace in my opinion.

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Elephants never forget and it's a good job the families of the victims didn't forget. They persued justice against all odds in what looked like a hopeless case after being systematically lied to, insulted and villified by the establishment

Human nature is to do what those fans did. Massive cup game, big traffic delays, late in, frustrated, crushed artside, eager not to miss owt. Many of us would not think twice in those circumstances. The police were there to protect the public and failed miserably due to an inexperienced chief superintendent and a clear lack of respect for football supporters in general.

It's a horrible tragedy at the end of the day but the persistent lies get my back up. Its perjury at the end of the day and that is a very serious offence which should be dealt with accordingly. It's a fekkin disgrace in my opinion.

A horrible,horrible tragedy. I hope that those responsible get what's coming to them and that the families of the poor victims can finally get some form of closure.
As you quite rightly say fair play to the families for their determined fight for the truth and for justice.

[Exiletyke]

Epiphany

[Ponte_Steve24]

I agree with victims wanting justice. However, I can't fathom why the Liverpool fans are totally absolved from blame. If I'd been a fan involved in the crush I'd be wracked with guilt even though the police opened the gate. Maybe that's my nature. I'd definitely shoulder some of the blame.

[animallittle3]

What's occurred regarding the events after the tragedy is still unproven and it's about opinions at this stage , those events will be heard , scrutinised by prosecutors and defended by Duckenfield and co's defence team when the cases go to trial next year .

Opinions before and during the tragedy aren't valid only THE FACT's hold water because subsequent inquiries have found that Liverpool supporters were not to blame and South Yorkshire Police were .

By all means offer an opinion but unless it chimes with the inquiries findings then it's not valid and you are simply wrong .

[Exiletyke]

Well here's my opinion
CPS make another monumental co ck up, get this far & then drop charges

[animallittle3]

Well here's my opinion
CPS make another monumental co ck up, get this far & then drop charges

It seems the case against Bettison relied on 3 key witnesses exile .

Two of the witnesses appear to have changed their statements and the evidence is now contradictory and the third witness passed away .

[Exiletyke]

It seems the case against Bettison relied on 3 key witnesses exile .

Two of the witnesses appear to have changed their statements and the evidence is now contradictory and the third witness passed away .

Bloody hell changing statements seems to be the norm [no pun intended] in this whole sorry affair so in effect they perjured themselves
They weren't ex police were they?