What a good read

[ghostrider]

So Ashleys mistake ridden time here is laid bare and all you want to do is deflect on to a manager with his hands tied

The manager hasn't had his hands tied, he tied them himself by choosing to buy anyone except a decent striker or play to the strengths of one already at the club.
By choosing to play dire defensive football regardless of what he has in his squad, he ties his own hands and has to take the blame when it goes wrong.
Yeah he could potentially have bigger fee signings with bigger wages but he chose what he chose so he needs to make it work instead of bemoaning what he has and basically making it known to his players that he thinks they're basically garbage or not good enough, when the reality is he finished 10th and has enhanced the squad, not weakened it.

The CLUB is in complete disarray from top to bottom man

No it's not at all.
The only reason it's deemed to be in disarray is because people want to boycott or stand outside of shops with banners or chant all kinds of names to the owner, all because the messiah isn't backed how he wants to be backed and all because a record isn't broken on a transfer or we aren't buying in a few top quality players for big fees.

If this is not the case then what is?
Worrying about what Ashley might be pocketing is nit picking speculation because there's no proof of anything.

Fan or WUM?

You can choose whatever you wish to choose out of that. Feel free to decide.

Only one answer to that If you dismiss the harm Ashley has inflicted

He's made mistakes and he definitely could do better, no doubt about it.
The problem is he's too untrusting to delve into anything other than running the club in a business like manner.
He's basically fell out of love with the concept of owning it alongside his business, I think.

He will still run it financially stable and do what's necessary to a point, is my guess.
He's not going to dish out presents to fans who spew bile and hatred at every turn, or try to disrupt his business, whether they feel it's their right or not.
The point is, by all means do it but don't expect him to change.
All you can hope for is a new owner comes in and carries this club further forward than Ashley is willing to...but hope that it's a long term strategy and not a short term fly by night job where early excitement and the ridding of the supposed devil turns to despair.

That's the worry.
As we are now we are fine in one respect. We'll live.
What we aren't doing is being treated to decent football and we deserve to be and can be because we have a squad that can actually play far far better into the mix than just headless chicken running.

[ex_pat_magpie]

[QUOTE=ghostrider;39004497]The manager hasn't had his hands tied, he tied them himself by choosing to buy anyone except a decent striker or play to the strengths of one already at the club.

Show where Rafa has had the funds to buy a decent striker.

Were you not aware that we sold a striker for £22million +another £5million but Ashley hasn't allowed the manager to replace him with a one of equal value.

It's like your boss picking your pocket then blaming you for not being able to buy him a pint.

[ghostrider]

Show where Rafa has had the funds to buy a decent striker.

Were you not aware that we sold a striker for £22million +another £5million but Ashley hasn't allowed the manager to replace him with a one of equal value.

It's like your boss picking your pocket then blaming you for not being able to buy him a pint.

He has replaced with one of equal value in Rondon, regardless of him being a loan. He is still our striker for the entire season.
He could have kept his 22 + 5 million striker but Mr stubborn refused to use him for that purpose.
Like I said, he tied his own hands.

[ex_pat_magpie]

He has replaced with one of equal value in Rondon, regardless of him being a loan. He is still our striker for the entire season.
He could have kept his 22 + 5 million striker but Mr stubborn refused to use him for that purpose.
Like I said, he tied his own hands.

You obviously haven't enough fingers to count.

Mitro out for up to £27 million.

3 times the purchase value of Rondon. Get the facts right before you waffle.

Rondon valued at £9 million but not ours only on loan because Ashley can't afford decent funds like managers of Fulham, Huddersfield, Watford, Brighton and all the rest have had.

[pboromag]

You obviously haven't enough fingers to count.

Mitro out for up to £27 million.

3 times the purchase value of Rondon. Get the facts right before you waffle.

Rondon valued at £9 million but not ours only on loan because Ashley can't afford decent funds like managers of Fulham, Huddersfield, Watford, Brighton and all the rest have had.

you have your facts wrong WBA turned down a bid of 32 mill for rondon
I think that is higher than 27 mill
his release clause was about 16-17 mill
which is I believe also more than 9 mill

so maybe you should get your facts before you waffle

[Sclox]

A fine, fine read which sums it all up nicely. Nothing more to add.

The clock is now ticking and its the beginning of the end of these greedy, devious liars.

The two morons can type all the bllox they want in is defence and attack Rafa all they want - they are not fans and their opinions are in the minority. The facts are all out there for all to see and the excuses dont wash anymore. Nowhere to hide anymore Mike.

Sell up for whatever you can get and sling your hook.

[ex_pat_magpie]

you have your facts wrong WBA turned down a bid of 32 mill for rondon
I think that is higher than 27 mill
his release clause was about 16-17 mill
which is I believe also more than 9 mill

so maybe you should get your facts before you waffle

Giving you the benefit of the doubt the highest I can find was E13mil which is just over £11million.but other sites E8-E10 mil.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-s.../spieler/80197

[pboromag]

well if you google it saus what his but out clause was and wba turned down 30 odd million for him

so you are miles of and waffling on trying to defend your inaccuracies

[ronandtet]

well if you google it saus what his but out clause was and wba turned down 30 odd million for him

so you are miles of and waffling on trying to defend your inaccuracies

16m his clause - can,t find 30 mil anywhere

[ex_pat_magpie]

well if you google it saus what his but out clause was and wba turned down 30 odd million for him

so you are miles of and waffling on trying to defend your inaccuracies

Pboro those are facts and talking of waffling, yourself and your paramour waffle more than the rest of the posters all together.

And what a good read it was too, that is to the educated.

It appears to be obvious that both yourself and Ghost were too lazy to read it in total right through. Otherwise the two of you wouldn't be making so many inane remarks and trying to divert from the theme of the thread as you always do.