Beggars

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Lets be fair, we're in a complete political mess right now because of Brexit. That's something the last Tory PM decided would be good to have a vote on without any planning in the event of a 'Leave' result. Then the current Tory PM decided it would be a good idea to invoke article 50 without having any dialogue with the EU or even her own party.

'Charity does start at home'
Not for the Tories, who have cut every public service sector to the bone. They inherited an NHS with the lowest waiting on times on record and have crippled it. Likewise 22,000 police and 10,000 firefighters have been cut since 2010, cheers Theresa. Did you know 500 libraries have closed since 2010...I could go on.

It begs the question, how do people keep voting for them. It appears its because Dianne Abbot fumbled over a sentence on bbc qt...

Out of interest Al, did you look at the Tory manifesto costs in the last election? I doubt it, because they didn't cost ANYTHING. You can't criticise Corbyn's fiscal policy because he has never implemented it. He did have a way of costing it though, seems you must have preferred the uncosted model.

I'm guessing you're also holding to account the Tory statements in the last couple of years, my favourite ones are

"This will be the easiest deal to make in history" David Davies - Former Brexit Secretary talking about EU negotiations of course
"The day after the referendum, we will start negotiating our own FTA's" Liam Fox, Trade Secretary
"I didn't quite realise how dependent we are on the Dover-Calais crossing" Dominic Raab, Current Brexit Secretary
"F*ck business" Boris Johnson, former Foreign Secretary
"Strong and Stable" You know who...

Out of interest, now this Tory govt have cut every public service to the bone, they're having a crack at our economy. Does anyone know how little foreign investment is being made in UK business right now, because of the uncertainty our government have created...this is hypothetical because its impossible to measure. Let me be clear, this is CRIPPLING business right now. And I know this from first hand experience, with major foreign owned UK based businesses. See above Boris Johnson statement for their reasons...

I'm not advocating Labour. I think Corbyn has been smeared by our press disgracefully, but I have no sympathy with him because is also a self serving scumbag who cares only about having another general election. If he really cared, he would provide proper opposition to what can only be described as the worst government in my lifetime. How is it possible for Labour to be behind them in the polls. His Brexit position is an absolute mess as well. Having said that, our society would be better off with a Labour government, of that I have no doubt.

It's time for these politicians to make way for a new crop. They've had their time now and they're collectively ruining us.

er the following are all quotes from reputable financial organisations this year.


The ONS also said British companies and investors saw the first net increase in their foreign direct investment since 2011 last year,

The UK remains Europe’s top destination for inward investment

Last year the UK attracted 6% more foreign direct investment (FDI) projects that the previous year, according to figures compiled by EY in a survey of 450 global investors,

According to a new report by IBM highlighted by the Department for International Trade (DIT) Britain is fifth most favoured place in the world for FDI.

We can make a success of Brexit or we can make a mess of it and see FDI fall. Where we probably do agree we have every chance of doing the later.

[WBA123]

er the following are all quotes from reputable financial organisations this year.


The ONS also said British companies and investors saw the first net increase in their foreign direct investment since 2011 last year,

The UK remains Europe’s top destination for inward investment

Last year the UK attracted 6% more foreign direct investment (FDI) projects that the previous year, according to figures compiled by EY in a survey of 450 global investors,

According to a new report by IBM highlighted by the Department for International Trade (DIT) Britain is fifth most favoured place in the world for FDI.

We can make a success of Brexit or we can make a mess of it and see FDI fall. Where we probably do agree we have every chance of doing the later.

Depends how you look at the figures, the weaker pound has brought in some Foreign investment. But overall this is not a good thing for us, because we are an importing nation and all its going to do is increase inflation because our goods and services will increase in price.

The net increase is linked more to the global economy than our domestic economy. That same ONS report also said that FDI grew at its weakest in 2017 than since the global recession of 2009.

Ultimately, foreign investment intentions in this instance is almost impossible to measure. Because the ONS, or any other body, cannot judge if a foreign owned business would or wouldn't have invested in the UK because of Brexit. Many of these businesses are hiding their true reasons for certain business decisions because they don't want the flak from the leave voters.

I'm purely talking from personal experience. Just to clarify what I meant, I know several foreign owned UK Based companies who are placing major business decisions on hold until the outcome of the Brexit negotiations. This, in my opinion, is having a major negative affect on business.

And getting back onto the subject of this God awful government, they are absolutely shocking at driving growth or innovation. We are literally being left behind by the world.

[mickd1961]

This sort of thread just brings out the political zealots.....it’s always the same “cut and paste” merchants boring the pants off everyone.

I just feel incredibly sad when I see someone living in a box or pushing their worldly belongings in a shopping trolley.

Why is it that some people’s first instinct is the political agenda b o l l u x rather than the person living such a miserable existence??

[baggieal]

This sort of thread just brings out the political zealots.....it’s always the same “cut and paste” merchants boring the pants off everyone.

I just feel incredibly sad when I see someone living in a box or pushing their worldly belongings in a shopping trolley.

Why is it that some people’s first instinct is the political agenda b o l l u x rather than the person living such a miserable existence??

I agree! I spent 150 quid at Hull to see a pile of feckin crap! Can I lobby for a rematch? The pie in the Walton Club was warm and they used cheap meat - could I have spewed it up there and then and demanded my money back!

What's the difference! People vote - what a load of bollox!

[kettering_baggie]

If Brexit goes ahead, there will be more beggars on the streets than there are now. It is just ludicrous to go ahead with this shambles. As much as I dislike referenda, we badly need another vote to stop the madness. A general election would be a waste of time as both main parties are just as divided over the issue. Dump Brexit.

[mickd1961]

If Brexit goes ahead, there will be more beggars on the streets than there are now. It is just ludicrous to go ahead with this shambles. As much as I dislike referenda, we badly need another vote to stop the madness. A general election would be a waste of time as both main parties are just as divided over the issue. Dump Brexit.

Okay then Kets....we just keep having a vote until you remoaners get the result you want then do we?

Do you believe in democracy or only when it suits you?

[kettering_baggie]

I don’t believe in running towards a cliff edge wearing a blindfold. Also, I don’t want the country to be run by the idiots that champion Brexit. At least those remainers in Parliament have some degree of common sense.

Anyway, the villain of the piece is that fool Cameron. The result of his stupidity has split the country in half. Referenda are too divisive to be a tool of government.

[WBA123]

Okay then Kets....we just keep having a vote until you remoaners get the result you want then do we?

Do you believe in democracy or only when it suits you?

People are hijacking the democratic process here.

Firstly, the referendum was completely flawed, in that people were lied to and mislead. Secondly, its not anti democratic to have another democratic vote, its probably the opposite.

Thirdly, flipping it on its head - I could argue that leaving with no deal is anti democratic, because no one can confirm that all 17m people who voted leave, voted in favour of a no deal Brexit. In my view there is no mandate for it. Or did they all vote in favour of Theresa May's Chequers deal?

But mostly, everyone who voted in the last referendum have more information available to them about the outlook of leaving the EU now than what they did 2 years ago to make an informed decision.

There is no doubt in the short to mid term, Brexit will make us poorer. I can't see how anyone can dispute that.

[Lindenbaggie]

If Brexit goes ahead, there will be more beggars on the streets than there are now. It is just ludicrous to go ahead with this shambles. As much as I dislike referenda, we badly need another vote to stop the madness. A general election would be a waste of time as both main parties are just as divided over the issue. Dump Brexit.

Why dump Brexit? Can't you see that our MP's are petrified of missing out on their dream of being permanent EU appointees as opposed to having to present themselves for re-election every five years? Who's organised this shambles? It certainly wasn't those who voted is it?. It's going to be tough either way from now on, but not so tough as it was for those who paid the ultimate in order to preserve our freedom to choose who governs us.

[albion68]

If Brexit goes ahead, there will be more beggars on the streets than there are now. It is just ludicrous to go ahead with this shambles. As much as I dislike referenda, we badly need another vote to stop the madness. A general election would be a waste of time as both main parties are just as divided over the issue. Dump Brexit.

you still trying to overturn democracy except you lost or do you and the rest of anti democratic remainers want a best of three .