O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[DaveyJohn]

Fair points Davey but if "most on the Leave deal would "prefer some sort of deal" why are you appearing to discount their opinions on the deal that the government has secured, and will most likely amend further? You and I don't like this particular deal but for me, for all it's shortfalls on clarity, it's not a million miles away from what I would call a fair compromise, given the complexities of the Irish border.

So how can it be settled? How can we find out the extent that the nation accepts whatever compromise we agree with the EU on behalf of all of us and weigh that against the number of people who prefer a No Deal. I can only come back to the public vote on Gov't Deal v No Deal, with Remain not on the cards. Why wouldn't that be fair? If you're correct that most would want a No Deal out of those two options, then so be it. End of.

Have I made any comment on May's deal or any other deal? I don't think I have, I was responding to your confident assumption that only a small but passionate minority of the 52% who voted to Leave would accept No Deal and therefore to implement that would be the least democratic option.

I can't speak for 17million plus people, but the conversations I've had with Brexiteers follow a similar pattern of they simply voted to Leave the EU. They did so firmly with the knowledge that a "clean" break with No Deal was a very real possibility but they still put that tick in the Leave box. Much of the sentiment I've heard from Brexit voters (I'm talking members of public here not MP's and "experts") is that they would be content with the UK starting negotiations from a No Deal position and any deal on the table would be a bonus not a necessity. The clamor to get a deal began when the referendum vote came in and many experts and MPs etc suggested that No Deal would be a disaster. Then there are some people suggesting that it wouldn't be that bad, who do we believe? What are the agendas of people making such claims?

I agree with you that it's going to be very difficult to settle fairly and I do not have the answer. I don't think anyone does, just like nobody truly knows what will happen with any given Brexit outcome.

For what it's worth I don't know what to make of May's deal and the complexities of the Irish border are proving a real issue. I guess we will find out how workable the deal is once it goes to the vote.

A public vote on Gov't Deal vs No Deal would be interesting, because as you alluded to further up the thread, how would the 48% who opted to Remain vote? I would also confidently suggest that the section of people you talked about in one of your posts who prefer a soft Brexit with Customs Union etc still intact would be made up mostly of Remainers who have accepted that the original referendum result should stand.