O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

Well I'll say my bit again too.

Post 1956 you are talking about the 11 years of Labour government in the period 1964 to 1979 to which I have referred to above (3 of which were under the supervision of the IMF who made Callaghan slash the budget deficit that his government was running) and the 13 years of non-Labour Labour government 1997 to 2010. With such limited data and with the overlay of world economic conditions, I would argue that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DRAW THE CONCLUSION YOU ARE TRYING TO DRAW (I don't understand why you capitalising but thought I'd give it a go – it didn’t do anything for me). I do recall the seventies, however and am happy to draw conclusions from that.

So you are not asserting then that the Conservative government have a better historical record over the last 70 years than Labour? Just to be clear?

[KerrAvon]

So you are not asserting then that the Conservative government have a better historical record over the last 70 years than Labour? Just to be clear?

Hell! I even capitalised my position for you, but you are still misrepresenting it. I think it impossible to draw any particular conclusions from the studies to which you refer.

Just out of curiosity, why did you first link to the report if you think it demonstrates no difference between Labour and Conservative governments on economic performance? I can’t recall and don't have time to look it up at the moment.

Do you know of any studies that make the comparison without taking account of the 13 years of non-Labour Labour government between 1997 and 2010? That would be a jolly interesting one.

And what did you mean by 'alignment'?

[frogmiller]

A vote of no confidence has been announced. The chief whip has received 48 letters which automatically triggers the vote of no confidence.

Scary times ahead!

Anyone looking forward to PM Boris Johnson?

[ragingpup]

Hell! I even capitalised my position for you, but you are still misrepresenting it. I think it impossible to draw any particular conclusions from the studies to which you refer.

Just out of curiosity, why did you first link to the report if you think it demonstrates no difference between Labour and Conservative governments on economic performance? I can’t recall and don't have time to look it up at the moment.

Do you know of any studies that make the comparison without taking account of the 13 years of non-Labour Labour government between 1997 and 2010? That would be a jolly interesting one.

And what did you mean by 'alignment'?

Alignment = prob not best word (I'm a drama graduate not a bloody lawyer!) - but I mean it to be 'similar to', as in retain aspects of the SM and CU. Surely there was enough context in the rest of the post to work out what I'm suggesting?

But we of course will have to digressify enough to satisfactiate the spirit of the referendum, obviously.

[KerrAvon]

Alignment = prob not best word (I'm a drama graduate not a bloody lawyer!) - but I mean it to be 'similar to', as in retain aspects of the SM and CU. Surely there was enough context in the rest of the post to work out what I'm suggesting?

But we of course will have to digressify enough to satisfactiate the spirit of the referendum, obviously.

I understand the meaning of the word alignment. I was interested in what you had in mind when you proposed a deal that ‘aligns with’ the Single Market and Customs Union. Help me with that. On which points do your propose alignment and upon which points do you propose divergence? And how are you proposing that the technical details and governance will work? I fully accept, of course, that you will have carefully thought this through and aren’t merely repeating meaningless soundbites from Labour’s six bullet point plan.

[ragingpup]

Hell! I even capitalised my position for you, but you are still misrepresenting it. I think it impossible to draw any particular conclusions from the studies to which you refer.

Just out of curiosity, why did you first link to the report if you think it demonstrates no difference between Labour and Conservative governments on economic performance? I can’t recall and don't have time to look it up at the moment.

Do you know of any studies that make the comparison without taking account of the 13 years of non-Labour Labour government between 1997 and 2010? That would be a jolly interesting one.

I linked the report as, interestingly it showed (as I expressed in my comments at the time), that Labour, since 1956 with the exception of the mid 70s, performed just as well as, if not better than, the Conservatives in ALL (just winding you up x) economic indicators. The down side (for social justice warriors like us) was that there was little difference in overall public spending between the two parties (historically). In fact Thatcher, in real terms, spent more than Labour on social infrastructure! Surprising innit? A point I made clear at the time. A quite impartial conclusion don't you think from a rabid member of Momentum like myself?

By all means, use the data I provided to compare the two parties with the exclusion of the 97-10 Labour party. But you will find that there is very little difference. Go ahead, and report back, do. Obviously damage was done by the 74-78 years in people's minds (but of course should include, in any intelligent analysis the decade leading up to it) when a Labour Government presided over a mess. No excuses from me. Just a shame that this is all you've got to try and shoot down the forces that, let's face it, are coming in to overwhelm you...

[KerrAvon]

I linked the report as, interestingly it showed (as I expressed in my comments at the time), that Labour, since 1956 with the exception of the mid 70s, performed just as well as, if not better than, the Conservatives in ALL (just winding you up x) economic indicators. The down side (for social justice warriors like us) was that there was little difference in overall public spending between the two parties (historically). In fact Thatcher, in real terms, spent more than Labour on social infrastructure! Surprising innit? A point I made clear at the time. A quite impartial conclusion don't you think from a rabid member of Momentum like myself?

By all means, use the data I provided to compare the two parties with the exclusion of the 97-10 Labour party. But you will find that there is very little difference. Go ahead, and report back, do. Obviously damage was done by the 74-78 years in people's minds (but of course should include, in any intelligent analysis the decade leading up to it) when a Labour Government presided over a mess. No excuses from me. Just a shame that this is all you've got to try and shoot down the forces that, let's face it, are coming in to overwhelm you...

I'm guessing you don't remember 1974 to 1979? If you did you would know that damage was done in more than people's minds.

You seem to me moving from a position where the report showed nothing to where it showed Labour in a good light... I think animal's fluidity problem may be catching.

If you've done an analysis that allows you to make the comment that you will find that there is very little difference by excluding 1997 to 2010, why don’t you share it?

By 2022, I’m hoping to be retired and living in France, so I doubt if I will be overwhelmed. If a Corbyn stylee Labour government gets in, history suggests you and the other people who vote them in will be underwhelmed and quickly looking to replace them with the Tories.