O/T The Worst PM In History

[Albionic68]

Quick question to all.

If there were to be a second referendum would any of you change your mind and vote the 'other' way to how you did previously? I'm not asking which way people voted and I'm not asking anyone to justify their position either then or now. So would you?

I'll start the ball rolling, no I wouldn't.

[WBA123]

But can't you see you are EQUALLY guilty of posting rubbish/lies

In an earlier post you state £1.2 billion as our cost of EU membership. According to the EU Commision figures it's £8.9 billion net.

In the above post

'London BECAME a powerhouse of financial services and now millions of jobs are dependent on international trade - particularly the Single Market'

You have got to be having a laugh. FYI London was a powerhouse of financial services a few hundred years before we joined the EEC. To suggest it was because of EU membership is bonkers beyond belief. Are you suggesting MILLIONS of jobs would be lost if we left?

We were labelled 'The Sick Man of Europe' well after we joined thge EEC. We stopped being so when Thatcher sorted out the unions (imo Callaghan was our worst PM) in the 80's. Nothing to do with the EU. I googled Sick Man of Europe and since 1990 the following countries have been so labelled
Germany
France
Italy
Portugal
Ireland
Greece
Finland
The common denominator for me is they are all EU countries so don't spout at me the daft idea that it's EU membership that is responsible for the UK losing that tag.

So when talking of pointing fingers remember that when you do so 1 is pointing out and 3 are pointing back at yourself.

Now behave!

Read it back again, I was replying back to another poster who said we were spending an additional £1.2b this year in EU contributions. I don't know how accurate that figure is by the way... I didn't state it!

I'll accept your apology in advance...

You're an intelligent man, I can't understand how you cannot see that some of our industries will absolutely be under threat from leaving the EU? I'm not saying millions of jobs will be lost, I'm saying they will be put at risk.

800k jobs in the UK are directly or indirectly in the automotive industry sector, which relies hugely on the JiT delivery system...which relies hugely on the Single Market. The costs are not pretty when a production line goes down at one of those plants. And the majority of them are foreign owned. I should highlight this is only one of our industries that is under threat.

And if you think we don't agree on the EU....don't even get me started on Thatcher!

My perspective on the whole Brexit debate is pretty simple, we are economically far better off remaining in the EU than we are leaving it.

[Albionic68]

I'll take that as a no then...... .

[mickd1961]

Quick question to all.

If there were to be a second referendum would any of you change your mind and vote the 'other' way to how you did previously? I'm not asking which way people voted and I'm not asking anyone to justify their position either then or now. So would you?

I'll start the ball rolling, no I wouldn't.

An interesting question 68.

I’ll be totally honest as a well known “Leaver”.

When I voted leave I had no idea that the government and civil service would be so woefully inept and that the process of leaving would be handled with morons with no nous or negotiating skills and that treaties had been created without a reversal strategy and the penalties that any normal businessman would expect in a deal that was being pulled out of!

It’s symptomatic of the political elite that their heads are so far up their own rectums that they haven’t a clue how to actually structure
a contract.

Having seen the chaos I have contemplated reversing my decision should a second vote take place.


Then......thankfully.....people like WBA123 come along with their cut and pasting and telling me what a fool I am and I resolve to keep my vote as it was.

If it wasn’t for these know all’s and their righteous indignance and I’d been left to my own devices I would very likely changed my mind by now but I’ve now reached an entrenched position due to the “remoaner” bombardment and the BBC and Channel 4 bias.

[Yarmbaggie]

Quick question to all.

If there were to be a second referendum would any of you change your mind and vote the 'other' way to how you did previously? I'm not asking which way people voted and I'm not asking anyone to justify their position either then or now. So would you?

I'll start the ball rolling, no I wouldn't.

Neither would I.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I voted leave and I won't alter. Those who have tried to overturn the referendum have made me more determined.

[Pugmitch]

All politicians couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery.......as for Civil Servants they can't organise full stop (don't ask how I know....the thread would be too long).

Would I change my mind.......NOOOOOOO!

[stripes39]

Quick question to all.

If there were to be a second referendum would any of you change your mind and vote the 'other' way to how you did previously? I'm not asking which way people voted and I'm not asking anyone to justify their position either then or now. So would you?

I'll start the ball rolling, no I wouldn't.

Good question 68. No I wouldn’t change my Leave vote given my time again. The reason we are in this mess isn’t down to the 17 million who voted leave. It’s down to an inept civil service who should never have been negotiating in the first place and a core of Remainers in the government doing the negotiating. This is what happens when a government/ opposition don’t like the will of the people and are determined to keep us as closely entrenched as possible. You wonder if this mess is anything but an accident but by design. For the record, I’m very pro European as we’ve far more in common with them than not. I’m just anti the EU establishment and its program of expanding power over sovereign nations.

[WBA123]

Quick question to all.

If there were to be a second referendum would any of you change your mind and vote the 'other' way to how you did previously? I'm not asking which way people voted and I'm not asking anyone to justify their position either then or now. So would you?

I'll start the ball rolling, no I wouldn't.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows my affiliation.

Since 2016 though, I've become even more of a 'Remainer' purely through watching our government and parliament lurch from one disaster to another and because of the misleading pre-referendum rhetoric

I still believe we are blaming the EU for a lot of our own Governments flaws.

We are a very stubborn nation though and its hard for anyone to say after the event....'I was wrong to vote that way'

And that's the same whether you voted Leave or Remain...

[Albionic68]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows my affiliation..........

Can't imagine how you've come to that conclusion .