2 new inbounds this week?

[nw6pie]

What turned it round with the Great Escape? We were utter sh**te then before we became great. Not sure it was influx of players but rather we reached a tipping point and began to win win win.

The home form has been key every time we've performed a great escape. Under Nolan we only lost once at home after he joined in 2017 (and that was against champions-elect Portsmouth); under Derry in 2013-2014 we won our final five home games of the season (and this was a team that had been thumped 5-1 at home by Walsall in January); and in the original great escape season of 2001-2002, we again won our last five home games in a row.

What's noticeable in that last fantastic run is that we also started keeping more clean sheets (6 in the last 10 games) and also had some great performances away from home (4-0 at Bury; 1-0 at Peterborough; 2-2 against promotion-bound Brighton, from 2-0 down, thanks to Marcel Cas' great volley).

In 2007-2008, when we finished 21st, we won our last two home games 1-0 (including that Richard Butcher goal against Wycombe), but again got better at keeping clean sheets (again, 6 in the last 10 games).

The luckiest escape was most definitely in 2005-2006, when we won only 1 of our last 16 games (that stat sounds familiar) and scraped a 2-2 draw with Bury on the final day of the season.

What's interesting (to me at least) is how many of the League 2 sides in that 2006 season are either no longer in the league or have been relegated and bounced back - two-thirds (16 out of the 24). Carlisle, Bury, Northampton and Notts are the only ones still in L2, albeit having spent some time in L1.

On the plus side, 7 teams who subsequently went down and returned: Lincoln City, Bristol Rovers, Mansfield, Grimsby Town, Macclesfield Town, Cheltenham Town, Oxford United. If we get relegated, I think we will share a unique "honour" with Oxford and Luton: the only winners of a major trophy to be relegated from the Football League (us the FA Cup, the other two the League Cup).

On the down side, these teams were subsequently relegated and have yet to resurface: Torquay (currently top of National League South); Wrexham (National League); Stockport County (National League North); Darlington FC (National League North); Chester City (National League North); Rushden & Diamonds (dissolved); Boston United (National League North); Leyton Orient (currently top of National League) and Barnet (National League). (Tranmere also get relegated, in 2015, and came back this season.)

[LesBradd4England]

The home form has been key every time we've performed a great escape. Under Nolan we only lost once at home after he joined in 2017 (and that was against champions-elect Portsmouth); under Derry in 2013-2014 we won our final five home games of the season (and this was a team that had been thumped 5-1 at home by Walsall in January); and in the original great escape season of 2001-2002, we again won our last five home games in a row.

What's noticeable in that last fantastic run is that we also started keeping more clean sheets (6 in the last 10 games) and also had some great performances away from home (4-0 at Bury; 1-0 at Peterborough; 2-2 against promotion-bound Brighton, from 2-0 down, thanks to Marcel Cas' great volley).

In 2007-2008, when we finished 21st, we won our last two home games 1-0 (including that Richard Butcher goal against Wycombe), but again got better at keeping clean sheets (again, 6 in the last 10 games).

The luckiest escape was most definitely in 2005-2006, when we won only 1 of our last 16 games (that stat sounds familiar) and scraped a 2-2 draw with Bury on the final day of the season.

What's interesting (to me at least) is how many of the League 2 sides in that 2006 season are either no longer in the league or have been relegated and bounced back - two-thirds (16 out of the 24). Carlisle, Bury, Northampton and Notts are the only ones still in L2, albeit having spent some time in L1.

On the plus side, 7 teams who subsequently went down and returned: Lincoln City, Bristol Rovers, Mansfield, Grimsby Town, Macclesfield Town, Cheltenham Town, Oxford United. If we get relegated, I think we will share a unique "honour" with Oxford and Luton: the only winners of a major trophy to be relegated from the Football League (us the FA Cup, the other two the League Cup).

On the down side, these teams were subsequently relegated and have yet to resurface: Torquay (currently top of National League South); Wrexham (National League); Stockport County (National League North); Darlington FC (National League North); Chester City (National League North); Rushden & Diamonds (dissolved); Boston United (National League North); Leyton Orient (currently top of National League) and Barnet (National League). (Tranmere also get relegated, in 2015, and came back this season.)

The National League is a tough league. History tells us teams do not generally bounce straight back. What you have to consider is the ultimate fate of those teams.
For some their is the acceptance of why they are relegated and the fierce determination to regain league status. fans and communities rally round, attendances can increase and clubs and their true supporters become stronger. Think of Lincoln, Luton, Tranmere and even Mansfield, who eventually returned. The likes of Wrexham, Leyton Orient continue to enjoy stronger support than they did in later league days and winning if not promotion seasons.
Even further falls into Conference North and South has served to galvanise clubs like Stockport and Torquay with no massive reduction in spectators.
I'd rather my money be spent on a 20 man squad earning their £800-£1000 per week which is about average for the National League than pay an bloated squad of 38, most of who never kick a competitive ball all week
Do not be mislead by the term "league football" there is little difference in quality. This is just snobbery.
Whilst it would be devastating to be relegated, it is how we approach it that would be of most importance.
The one thing I know about Notts County, is the fan base is sound for around 3,500 irrespective of relegation. A winning team no matter what standard draws casual supporters. I am confident a winning (not necessarily) a promotion winning team would average 4500-5000. Spend the income wisely, employ a manager comfortable in those surroundings (we have one) and we can begin to look upwards not down.

[slack_pie]

The National League is a tough league. History tells us teams do not generally bounce straight back. What you have to consider is the ultimate fate of those teams.
For some their is the acceptance of why they are relegated and the fierce determination to regain league status. fans and communities rally round, attendances can increase and clubs and their true supporters become stronger. Think of Lincoln, Luton, Tranmere and even Mansfield, who eventually returned. The likes of Wrexham, Leyton Orient continue to enjoy stronger support than they did in later league days and winning if not promotion seasons.
Even further falls into Conference North and South has served to galvanise clubs like Stockport and Torquay with no massive reduction in spectators.
I'd rather my money be spent on a 20 man squad earning their £800-£1000 per week which is about average for the National League than pay an bloated squad of 38, most of who never kick a competitive ball all week
Do not be mislead by the term "league football" there is little difference in quality. This is just snobbery.
Whilst it would be devastating to be relegated, it is how we approach it that would be of most importance.
The one thing I know about Notts County, is the fan base is sound for around 3,500 irrespective of relegation. A winning team no matter what standard draws casual supporters. I am confident a winning (not necessarily) a promotion winning team would average 4500-5000. Spend the income wisely, employ a manager comfortable in those surroundings (we have one) and we can begin to look upwards not down.

True, the National League is tough. The quality isn't noticeably different to L2 really. I mean most National League clubs would hammer Notts on current form. As for our fan base, it depends on many things. If Forest make it to the Prem, which is bound to happen eventually, they'll be 5 divisions above us, and entertaining world superstars each week. It will be very difficult to persuade new fans to come and watch Notts in that case. I reckon if we were up the top of the table, with a decent manager that everyone liked (like Ardley) and some decent, honest players, we'd get around 4000 average. But if we end up struggling, or just kicking about in mid-table for a few years, and Forest continue to be a decent Championship side or, god forbid, a Prem side, we'll surely see crowds dwindle.

[i961pie]

The home form has been key every time we've performed a great escape. Under Nolan we only lost once at home after he joined in 2017 (and that was against champions-elect Portsmouth); under Derry in 2013-2014 we won our final five home games of the season (and this was a team that had been thumped 5-1 at home by Walsall in January); and in the original great escape season of 2001-2002, we again won our last five home games in a row.

What's noticeable in that last fantastic run is that we also started keeping more clean sheets (6 in the last 10 games) and also had some great performances away from home (4-0 at Bury; 1-0 at Peterborough; 2-2 against promotion-bound Brighton, from 2-0 down, thanks to Marcel Cas' great volley).

In 2007-2008, when we finished 21st, we won our last two home games 1-0 (including that Richard Butcher goal against Wycombe), but again got better at keeping clean sheets (again, 6 in the last 10 games).

The luckiest escape was most definitely in 2005-2006, when we won only 1 of our last 16 games (that stat sounds familiar) and scraped a 2-2 draw with Bury on the final day of the season.

What's interesting (to me at least) is how many of the League 2 sides in that 2006 season are either no longer in the league or have been relegated and bounced back - two-thirds (16 out of the 24). Carlisle, Bury, Northampton and Notts are the only ones still in L2, albeit having spent some time in L1.

On the plus side, 7 teams who subsequently went down and returned: Lincoln City, Bristol Rovers, Mansfield, Grimsby Town, Macclesfield Town, Cheltenham Town, Oxford United. If we get relegated, I think we will share a unique "honour" with Oxford and Luton: the only winners of a major trophy to be relegated from the Football League (us the FA Cup, the other two the League Cup).

On the down side, these teams were subsequently relegated and have yet to resurface: Torquay (currently top of National League South); Wrexham (National League); Stockport County (National League North); Darlington FC (National League North); Chester City (National League North); Rushden & Diamonds (dissolved); Boston United (National League North); Leyton Orient (currently top of National League) and Barnet (National League). (Tranmere also get relegated, in 2015, and came back this season.)

Not forgetting Orient, Halifax, Barrow, Workington, Southport, Aldershot, Gateshead, Scarboro' and Chester.

[slack_pie]

The home form has been key every time we've performed a great escape. Under Nolan we only lost once at home after he joined in 2017 (and that was against champions-elect Portsmouth); under Derry in 2013-2014 we won our final five home games of the season (and this was a team that had been thumped 5-1 at home by Walsall in January); and in the original great escape season of 2001-2002, we again won our last five home games in a row.

What's noticeable in that last fantastic run is that we also started keeping more clean sheets (6 in the last 10 games) and also had some great performances away from home (4-0 at Bury; 1-0 at Peterborough; 2-2 against promotion-bound Brighton, from 2-0 down, thanks to Marcel Cas' great volley).

In 2007-2008, when we finished 21st, we won our last two home games 1-0 (including that Richard Butcher goal against Wycombe), but again got better at keeping clean sheets (again, 6 in the last 10 games).

The luckiest escape was most definitely in 2005-2006, when we won only 1 of our last 16 games (that stat sounds familiar) and scraped a 2-2 draw with Bury on the final day of the season.

What's interesting (to me at least) is how many of the League 2 sides in that 2006 season are either no longer in the league or have been relegated and bounced back - two-thirds (16 out of the 24). Carlisle, Bury, Northampton and Notts are the only ones still in L2, albeit having spent some time in L1.

On the plus side, 7 teams who subsequently went down and returned: Lincoln City, Bristol Rovers, Mansfield, Grimsby Town, Macclesfield Town, Cheltenham Town, Oxford United. If we get relegated, I think we will share a unique "honour" with Oxford and Luton: the only winners of a major trophy to be relegated from the Football League (us the FA Cup, the other two the League Cup).

On the down side, these teams were subsequently relegated and have yet to resurface: Torquay (currently top of National League South); Wrexham (National League); Stockport County (National League North); Darlington FC (National League North); Chester City (National League North); Rushden & Diamonds (dissolved); Boston United (National League North); Leyton Orient (currently top of National League) and Barnet (National League). (Tranmere also get relegated, in 2015, and came back this season.)

It all comes down to the players we bring in this month. If I remember correctly, we brought in Jeff Whitley in 2002 and he made a big difference. In 2007, Michael Johnson returned and was largely responsible for shoring up our defence. Then in the Derry season, we had McGregor and Grealish to get us over the line.

To be fair, a fit Enzio, Hemmings and Tootle would be as good as three new signings.

I was thinking today, we would surely be one of the only clubs to drop from the top division to non-league. I can only think of Luton who have managed it so far, at least in my lifetime. Yaaay for us.

[Elite_Pie]

I was thinking today, we would surely be one of the only clubs to drop from the top division to non-league. I can only think of Luton who have managed it so far, at least in my lifetime. Yaaay for us.

I'm pretty sure Carlisle have also done it.

[legs77]

I'm pretty sure Carlisle have also done it.

Have Oxford been in all 5 divisions as well ?

[karl wheatly]

Yes

[karl wheatly]

It all comes down to the players we bring in this month. If I remember correctly, we brought in Jeff Whitley in 2002 and he made a big difference. In 2007, Michael Johnson returned and was largely responsible for shoring up our defence. Then in the Derry season, we had McGregor and Grealish to get us over the line.

To be fair, a fit Enzio, Hemmings and Tootle would be as good as three new signings.

I was thinking today, we would surely be one of the only clubs to drop from the top division to non-league. I can only think of Luton who have managed it so far, at least in my lifetime. Yaaay for us.

Add Carlisle.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

The home form has been key every time we've performed a great escape. Under Nolan we only lost once at home after he joined in 2017 (and that was against champions-elect Portsmouth); under Derry in 2013-2014 we won our final five home games of the season (and this was a team that had been thumped 5-1 at home by Walsall in January); and in the original great escape season of 2001-2002, we again won our last five home games in a row.

What's noticeable in that last fantastic run is that we also started keeping more clean sheets (6 in the last 10 games) and also had some great performances away from home (4-0 at Bury; 1-0 at Peterborough; 2-2 against promotion-bound Brighton, from 2-0 down, thanks to Marcel Cas' great volley).

In 2007-2008, when we finished 21st, we won our last two home games 1-0 (including that Richard Butcher goal against Wycombe), but again got better at keeping clean sheets (again, 6 in the last 10 games).

The luckiest escape was most definitely in 2005-2006, when we won only 1 of our last 16 games (that stat sounds familiar) and scraped a 2-2 draw with Bury on the final day of the season.

What's interesting (to me at least) is how many of the League 2 sides in that 2006 season are either no longer in the league or have been relegated and bounced back - two-thirds (16 out of the 24). Carlisle, Bury, Northampton and Notts are the only ones still in L2, albeit having spent some time in L1.

On the plus side, 7 teams who subsequently went down and returned: Lincoln City, Bristol Rovers, Mansfield, Grimsby Town, Macclesfield Town, Cheltenham Town, Oxford United. If we get relegated, I think we will share a unique "honour" with Oxford and Luton: the only winners of a major trophy to be relegated from the Football League (us the FA Cup, the other two the League Cup).

On the down side, these teams were subsequently relegated and have yet to resurface: Torquay (currently top of National League South); Wrexham (National League); Stockport County (National League North); Darlington FC (National League North); Chester City (National League North); Rushden & Diamonds (dissolved); Boston United (National League North); Leyton Orient (currently top of National League) and Barnet (National League). (Tranmere also get relegated, in 2015, and came back this season.)

An excellent post. My concern is if we were to get relegated it would be a pivotal moment in the clubs history. It could be a positive in that we could start again from scratch and re-build and come back stronger like Bristol Rovers, Oxford United and Luton Town. Or the negative is that we stay in there for a number of years (Wrexham) or even drop down further and wither away. I guess it's how the club approach the future.

The last time we had a season as pivotal as this one could be if we do get relegated was in 1994/95 when we dropped from the 2nd tier to the 3rd tier. That's the line between the lower leagues and the higher leagues. It will be 24 years at the end of the season in which we last played in the 2nd tier which is a generation ago.

I only hope that if we were to be relegated out of the football league we don't end up on a path where it will be a generation that passes since we went out of the football league. I do believe the club is strong in the sense that even in the 5th tier there would be a core of 3,500 - 4,000 which would make us a very heavily supported and big club at that level. In a sense that additional income means we should be able to build a competitive squad. It's not that simple though as big clubs like Leeds, Portsmouth, Sunderland and others have found out when they've dropped into the lower leagues. You then become the team everyone wants to beat.