Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
You obviously have forgotten why Labour opposed May's deal. Do I need to remind you:

- Risks economy and jobs
- Weakens worker's rights
- Weaken's national security
- Threatens to drive the UK nations apart
- No guarantees for EU residents here or UK nationals abroad

How bad is that?

It's nothing to do with the backstop. It's all about not giving the government a blank cheque. Future talks, ones that actually might be possible, must involve you stopping believing in your own unicorns (EU blinks! ffs grow up!) and getting our leaders to actually collaborate on a cross party agreement. I know that will stick in your hard Brexit craw, with your own blinkered vision of "what the people voted for" (in other words, what you want), but tough.

Where might a majority majority for a referendum come from? I guess it would come from the same majority of politicians who voted against a No Deal in principle 2 weeks ago. You may be happy for May to play roulette with our economy, you probably have the wealth and detachment to know if won't touch you personally, but if it goes down to the wire, and you don't catch your unicorn, I think you will find that parliament will intervene - either to extend the deadline (if we can show them we have grown up a bit) and then start proper negotiations that protect the economy first, or vote May's deal through but only on account of her accepting that the people have a final say. Most likely the former, but the latter is a risk you favouring a hard Brexit side are going to have to risk.

Let's make a deal ourselves though. If May catches her unicorn and the deal goes through on her terms, no complaining from me.
However, if she tries running down the clock, parliament intervenes and we end up with No Brexit, how about you and your mates similarly accepting the result of that with grace?
Calm down, dear. You win game, set and match, remember. If it does go no deal, you can pretend it hasn't happened and praise yourself on here for single handedly averting it. Lol.

Great list of reasons why Labour voted against the deal. Straight from your party within a party, Momentum? It omits the real reason, which is that you were trying to engineer a general election. I won't embarrass you by asking you to explain why the deal presented the threats you claim.

We hand a government a blank cheque every time we vote one in, subject to Parliament (and, strictly speaking, the Queen) agreeing to sign it. A Parliament cannot bind a future Parliament (the House of Lords confirmed that and a couple of other interesting legal points when it decided the Article 50 case).

How do you say Parliament can call another referendum? Who is going to introduce the legislation if the government doesn't? There are limits to how far even Bercow can bend the rules. And I still don't see where your majority is coming from. Most MPs know political suicide when they see it.

I don't favour a hard Brexit, I pondered long and hard over my vote in the referendum, because I was so torn by competing arguments. I also believe that any Brexit will be economically damaging with no deal particularly so. The point is, however, that people voted to leave, not for the half-assed zombie Norway like quasi membership that you favour.