o/t civil war, strikes, walk outs, political parties collapsing/ emerging.....

[ragingpup]

Because we as a nation will decide who we want to allow in [or at least that's how it should work]
What a poor argument when you ask who will be doing these jobs
I think what you mean is how will all those companies be able to get cheap labour [often below min wage] so that the tax payer can supplement their income with benefits thus resulting in the taxpayer subsidising great numbers of these so called "businesses"

No I don't Exile. I mean employers like the NHS and council social services which pay above at or above national minimum wage but are extremely demanding jobs, long hours and are propped up on immigrant workers that will fall below the 30k that the government has set as a mimimum wage for entry (if they go through with that).

Likewise, in the service sector the pay is at minimum wage but is again largely dominated by immigrant workers.

You could argue that in reducing the immigrant workforce here, you will be forcing employers to increase their wages. Is that what you think will happen? With the conservative government?

If you are supporting creating this problem, what do you see as the solution to it?

[gm_gm]

No I don't Exile. I mean employers like the NHS and council social services which pay above at or above national minimum wage but are extremely demanding jobs, long hours and are propped up on immigrant workers that will fall below the 30k that the government has set as a mimimum wage for entry (if they go through with that).

Likewise, in the service sector the pay is at minimum wage but is again largely dominated by immigrant workers.

You could argue that in reducing the immigrant workforce here, you will be forcing employers to increase their wages. Is that what you think will happen? With the conservative government?

If you are supporting creating this problem, what do you see as the solution to it?

some of theses "immigrant workers" are on between £100,000 - 250,000 a year!

[ragingpup]

some of theses "immigrant workers" are on between £100,000 - 250,000 a year!

Lol. Good luck to them. But I think the jobs we'll have trouble filling are on considerably less than that!

[Exiletyke]

some of theses "immigrant workers" are on between £100,000 - 250,000 a year!

Who do you mean?
Hope they're paying the appropriate tax

[Exiletyke]

No I don't Exile. I mean employers like the NHS and council social services which pay above at or above national minimum wage but are extremely demanding jobs, long hours and are propped up on immigrant workers that will fall below the 30k that the government has set as a mimimum wage for entry (if they go through with that).

Likewise, in the service sector the pay is at minimum wage but is again largely dominated by immigrant workers.

You could argue that in reducing the immigrant workforce here, you will be forcing employers to increase their wages. Is that what you think will happen? With the conservative government?

If you are supporting creating this problem, what do you see as the solution to it?

As long as benefits are paid to prop up so called businesses instead of paying inadequate wages, the problem will continue
just so we can all have a cup of coffee which by the way is not cheap is it?

[ragingpup]

As long as benefits are paid to prop up so called businesses instead of paying inadequate wages, the problem will continue
just so we can all have a cup of coffee which by the way is not cheap is it?

I agree with you in principle, but can you see businesses paying more without passing on to customers? That coffee will be much more expemsive.

This I can come to terms with. But my biggest concern in the NHS and H&SC where they cannot increase prices to offset. The only way of upping the worker prices here is a huge boost from taxes.

I think I'm just more cynical than yourself on government and business!

[great_fire]

Remainers are definitely lacking in cynicism.

They think the EU is all rainbows and unicorns and when they see Verhofstadt ranting about abolishing nations and Juncker and Tusk making sarcastic comments they just see adorable kittens or something.