O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[MillerBill]

So what exactly is your vision of Brexit? How does it work in the real world? What are these huge opportunities we may miss out on?

My vision of Brexit is to have our own rules, not be dictated to.Having recently been to Italy and spoken to some under 25s and their horrendous ordeal in finding work out there,they have a completely different opinion of the EU.They cannot understand why the younger generation in this country are not looking at the real facts where the Eurozone countries just turn a blind eye to these shocking youth unemployment figures.It is beyond belief how any sensible person would want this horrible prospect for their children.

[ragingpup]

My vision of Brexit is to have our own rules, not be dictated to.Having recently been to Italy and spoken to some under 25s and their horrendous ordeal in finding work out there,they have a completely different opinion of the EU.They cannot understand why the younger generation in this country are not looking at the real facts where the Eurozone countries just turn a blind eye to these shocking youth unemployment figures.It is beyond belief how any sensible person would want this horrible prospect for their children.

These are shocking unemployment figures. Completely agree. But to what extent is the responsibility for this the Italian government? Why are you specifically blaming the EU for it?

[Timbertop]

Miller Bill. Had a similar experience visiting my son-in-law 's family in central Spain where youth unemployment is around 55% I was told. And the common denominator in all this? The stinkingly capitalist EU !

[ragingpup]

Miller Bill. Had a similar experience visiting my son-in-law 's family in central Spain where youth unemployment is around 55% I was told. And the common denominator in all this? The stinkingly capitalist EU !

Bill and MT – I’m not challenging you on this as such. And I’m sure that you’ll be pleased to know that I am not renowned for my sympathy to “stinking capitalism”. But what is the process that the EU imposes on these countries, what legislation or laws are imposed by the EU, that cause these shocking statistics?

I always thought that the government of a country was responsible for its positive or negative economic and social conditions. How is the EU superimposing over and above the Italian and Spanish governments to cause these outcomes?

[WanChaiMiller]

My vision of Brexit is to have our own rules, not be dictated to.Having recently been to Italy and spoken to some under 25s and their horrendous ordeal in finding work out there,they have a completely different opinion of the EU.They cannot understand why the younger generation in this country are not looking at the real facts where the Eurozone countries just turn a blind eye to these shocking youth unemployment figures.It is beyond belief how any sensible person would want this horrible prospect for their children.

Millerbill. You put this question to me before some months back. That time we were discussing Spain. In my reply I said "I can see Spain youth unemployment was 18% in the period up to 2007. This was just above the EU average. The dramatic rise was in 5 years after the credit crunch recession of 2008. By 2013 it had risen to 50%, over double the EU average.

I see that as being a result of the recession rather than Spain being part of the EU. My question is why the recession hit the youth of Spain in particular & so serverely? I wonder why you think its all down to their membership of the EU?* Why do you think the youth of Spain would have faired better if Spain was an independent country?"

[Exiletyke]

My vision of Brexit is to have our own rules, not be dictated to.Having recently been to Italy and spoken to some under 25s and their horrendous ordeal in finding work out there,they have a completely different opinion of the EU.They cannot understand why the younger generation in this country are not looking at the real facts where the Eurozone countries just turn a blind eye to these shocking youth unemployment figures.It is beyond belief how any sensible person would want this horrible prospect for their children.

How can Spain have any quibbles with the EU Just look around Spain to see how much they have been assisted with EU grants [ie our money]
I visited the Mar Menor area last month & was amazed at the level of infrastructure improvements [roads, rail etc., even property] makes the UK look positively third world although I think that a great deal of these works was undertaken by cheap immigrant labour not by native Spanish,so that's probably the answer to high youth unemployment question
My worry is that if we become an independent nation who the hell [based on the last three years] would you trust to run this country
my same worry applies if we remain
Those that govern us have demonstrated their total incompetence & ability to govern & have in my view been freeloading for years & it's time our present system of electing our representatives changed

[John2]

My vision of Brexit is to have our own rules, not be dictated to.Having recently been to Italy and spoken to some under 25s and their horrendous ordeal in finding work out there,they have a completely different opinion of the EU.They cannot understand why the younger generation in this country are not looking at the real facts where the Eurozone countries just turn a blind eye to these shocking youth unemployment figures.It is beyond belief how any sensible person would want this horrible prospect for their children.

Wait, why is youth unemployment in Italy the fault of the EU and not the Italian government!?

Netherlands has a youth unemployment of 6.5% despite being in the EU, Germany 6&, the EU overall has a youth unemployment rate of 14.9%.

If the Italian youths think the reason youth unemployment there is 33% is because they are members of the EU, maybe they're quite poorly educated! It's a bit like the people arguing that we're not doing as well as Germany because of the EU, it just doesn't make any sense because we're both members complying with identical rules, the only difference is how our countries are run within it.

[Exiletyke]

Wait, why is youth unemployment in Italy the fault of the EU and not the Italian government!?

Netherlands has a youth unemployment of 6.5% despite being in the EU, Germany 6&, the EU overall has a youth unemployment rate of 14.9%.

If the Italian youths think the reason youth unemployment there is 33% is because they are members of the EU, maybe they're quite poorly educated! It's a bit like the people arguing that we're not doing as well as Germany because of the EU, it just doesn't make any sense because we're both members complying with identical rules, the only difference is how our countries are run within it.

The common denominator is the use of cheap eastern european labour under free movement
If you can't see that you are even more blinkered than hitherto believed

[WanChaiMiller]

The common denominator is the use of cheap eastern european labour under free movement
If you can't see that you are even more blinkered than hitherto believed

Stats show the common demominator was the recession in 2008. Up to then figures show youth unemoyment was about the same across Europe.

[Exiletyke]

Millerbill. You put this question to me before some months back. That time we were discussing Spain. In my reply I said "I can see Spain youth unemployment was 18% in the period up to 2007. This was just above the EU average. The dramatic rise was in 5 years after the credit crunch recession of 2008. By 2013 it had risen to 50%, over double the EU average.

I see that as being a result of the recession rather than Spain being part of the EU. My question is why the recession hit the youth of Spain in particular & so serverely? I wonder why you think its all down to their membership of the EU?* Why do you think the youth of Spain would have faired better if Spain was an independent country?"

Why do you think the youth of Spain would have faired better if Spain was an independent country?"


They wouldn't have to allow free movement of labour would they?