O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[BigLadonOS]

Thanks again. But aren't brexiters looking at this as being part of the problem and post brexit, this would be tightened up so this couldn't happen? If so, wouldn't we need passport control borders? Maybe not but asking how the brexiters wish on this can be delivered?

This is where the hang up is. the 1922 bill was in force long before we joined the EU and we want to uphold that bill but the EU will not allow us too and said as much even before the vote took place. The only way we are ever going to get to uphold that bill is to negotiate as part of any deal once we are free from the EU and we can negotiate as a free country. As of right now they hold the upper hand while we are part of the EU but when we leave if they want to deal with the UK they will have to accept that the 1922 bill is part of that deal or no deal.

It really is not a big problem at all, it only became a problem because May wanted to stay part of the free movement and free trade deal.

[BigLadonOS]

And before you ask about the border problem that Mays deal gave us back control over our borders you are wrong.

I will explain.

While we are part of the EU the EU governs border control of all it's members states. What the EU offered May was the right to control our borders for anyone outside the EU but the cost for that deal would be that EU members would not be governed by it and could still have free movement.

[ragingpup]

This is where the hang up is. the 1922 bill was in force long before we joined the EU and we want to uphold that bill but the EU will not allow us too and said as much even before the vote took place. The only way we are ever going to get to uphold that bill is to negotiate as part of any deal once we are free from the EU and we can negotiate as a free country. As of right now they hold the upper hand while we are part of the EU but when we leave if they want to deal with the UK they will have to accept that the 1922 bill is part of that deal or no deal.

It really is not a big problem at all, it only became a problem because May wanted to stay part of the free movement and free trade deal.

The EU have already made it quite clear that if we left with no deal, any attempt to negotiate a new deal will be met with the statement of exactly the same terms (of May's deal) as they have negotiated now.

Your huge risk with our economy is seems to be a blind trust that it we leave with no deal that they will change the terms that they have negotiated. Hell of a risk isn't it? Id rather you didn't try and force me into taking that risk of you dont mind.

[ragingpup]

FFS pup do I have to explain everything to you!!!! look for info on the 1922 bill. Project fear mentioned it quite often before the vote.

I've honestly looked for evidence of this bill being in mass discussion during the referendum debates. Sorry but I can't find any in searches. I'm happy to take your argument on board but help me out, link me to your evidence please

[animallittle3]

Your post said leavers , them, [plural] but when push comes to shove you can name none just like project fear
Just for the record I cn tellyou that Animal lost his job a short while ago but it had b ugger all to do with Brexit just rank bad management Hope he doesn't mind me saying this

Brexit was a factor in as far as uncertainty is a factor in business , however the company had consistently posted disappointing figures for many years culminating in a losses of 800k the previous two years .

The website was way too old fashioned , not good considering we were an internet based business with no retail outlets on the high street .

We weren't even on page one of google and relied on the loyalty of members rather than seek out new customers .

The website was shut down regularly to prevent customers ordering because we couldn't meet the delivery requirements we promised , getting delivery drivers and a mate to work 14 hours a day 6 days a week for minimum wage and humping washing machines and american fridges up to the top floor of tower blocks isn't easy , easier work for the same money given they were only paid for their time my old company set for them to complete their deliveries , anything over that they were working for nowt which happened more times than they were ever sat at home getting paid .

Our competitors faced the same problems as we did , they bought their stock from exactly the same places as we did , there wasn't anywhere else to purchase them from , the majority are within the EU .

They survive and carry on we didn't , brexit affected everyone in the sector so digging down in to the weeds you would have to say we folded because our senior management failed .

So you are right exile , pyss poor senior management with brexit a concern rather than a cause effect .

[ragingpup]

Your post said leavers , them, [plural] but when push comes to shove you can name none just like project fear
Just for the record I cn tellyou that Animal lost his job a short while ago but it had b ugger all to do with Brexit just rank bad management Hope he doesn't mind me saying this

Obviously sorry to hear that about animal. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, although I do get concerned when people are trying to impose a situation that might have consequences for my own and other peoples jobs who don't wish to go through a no deal.

[animallittle3]

Obviously sorry to hear that about animal. Wouldn't wish that on anyone, although I do get concerned when people are trying to impose a situation that might have consequences for my own and other peoples jobs who don't wish to go through a no deal.

Thanks for that raging , worked out well to be honest , got a new job monday to friday and regular day shift for the same money .

We supply the railway industry with tacke , tools and clothing , one stop shop for their needs .

Network Rail just love to spend taxpayers money , the company is turning over millions .

Mind you nothing would surprise me these days , nothing is certain in this world other than death .

Get to retirement age is my only goal , 8 years to go .

[ragingpup]

pup, you are not breaking any UK laws you are breaking UK guidelines there is a massive difference. Under EU law it is not possible to change the cheap labour mentality as there is very little we can do about it but if leave the EU we can set laws that forbid any company to use cheap labour.

I'm breaking UK laws on employing cheap labour, as in paying below the minimum wage. I don't think an employer like me would give a stuff about your outlawing of eu cheap workers. If just get some from non eu sources. Agencies will provide for me as they do now for cheap eu workers. I'm not saying we shouldn't make every effort to stop me doing this is wrong, I'm just saying that to use this argument to justify a no deal brexit when it so obviously won't stop *******s like me, then I think you're using an ice axe to crack a nut.

[ragingpup]

Thanks for that raging , worked out well to be honest , got a new job monday to friday and regular day shift for the same money .

We supply the railway industry with tacke , tools and clothing , one stop shop for their needs .

Network Rail just love to spend taxpayers money , the company is turning over millions .

Mind you nothing would surprise me these days , nothing is certain in this world other than death .

Get to retirement age is my only goal , 8 years to go .

Great news Animal. Pleased to hear it. Well done fella :-)

[animallittle3]

I'm breaking UK laws on employing cheap labour, as in paying below the minimum wage. I don't think an employer like me would give a stuff about your outlawing of eu cheap workers. If just get some from non eu sources. Agencies will provide for me as they do now for cheap eu workers. I'm not saying we shouldn't make every effort to stop me doing this is wrong, I'm just saying that to use this argument to justify a no deal brexit when it so obviously won't stop *******s like me, then I think you're using an ice axe to crack a nut.

There are immigrant workers and immigrant workers raging .

In my experience the eastern europeans are far more comfortable running round DC's picking at 200 items an hour than immigrants from other parts of the world .

I've seen them all in my time , from every corner of the world and the one thing I can tell you is the African and Asian lads won't kill themselves for anyone , just not their kind of work .

The Poles would tip a container in two hours of handballing the African lads would take all shift and trust me they will only work at their pace .

Not as easy as what you think this cheap labour game outside of the EU .