O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

I don't bother even trying to be bothered with this debate; if such a thing as truth exists in this context nobody can be rrsed to find it. I like BigLad but his take on the Irish dimension is simply bullshine. Here's Oliver Norgrove writing in the Irish Times 20 March 2019 - Norgrove btw was a member of Vote Leave and a prominent Brexit intellectual: "As a former Brexit campaigner...I take the view that central to the unravelling of Brexit has been the Irish border...Those of us who made the case for leaving the EU did not sufficiently take into account the interests of Northern ireland nor indeed did we estimate the significance of the role played by the border within the Brexit negotiations."
I respect BigLad, Animal etc but ON was actually frigging advising politicians on the implications of Brexit before, during and after the referendum so I'll take his conclusion over theirs.

Sure it wasn't in the Journal of Socialist studies?

[BigLadonOS]

Just looking at things from the pov of the ******* exploitive employees who use cheap migrant labour to and hoping to highlight the problems in hoping that brexit will solve the issues that we would like on this issue. Anti exploitation laws will only work if there is the political will to enforce them. We have lots of control already on doing this but choose not to enforce them, or at least find that enforcing them is difficult and expensive. You can use it as a reason for justifying brexit all you like but the problem will not go away in afraid.

Of course it will not go away why would it? It was happening well before the EU was even thought of and will happen after we leave the EU but the bigger corps will not be the ones doing it anymore as hey will face harsh reprimands if they do.

[ragingpup]

Here you go mate just 1 little example of media participation. Try to look a little harder in future ok.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-36587809

So your argument that the Irish border issue was well digested and understood is evidence by one two paragraph article two days before the referendum vote? Really?

[Exiletyke]

Just looking at things from the pov of the ******* exploitive employees who use cheap migrant labour to and hoping to highlight the problems in hoping that brexit will solve the issues that we would like on this issue. Anti exploitation laws will only work if there is the political will to enforce them. We have lots of control already on doing this but choose not to enforce them, or at least find that enforcing them is difficult and expensive. You can use it as a reason for justifying brexit all you like but the problem will not go away in afraid.

Sure as hell ain't gonna be resolved as long as we remain
leaving should be the beginning of putting some things right

[animallittle3]

Just looking at things from the pov of the ******* exploitive employees who use cheap migrant labour to and hoping to highlight the problems in hoping that brexit will solve the issues that we would like on this issue. Anti exploitation laws will only work if there is the political will to enforce them. We have lots of control already on doing this but choose not to enforce them, or at least find that enforcing them is difficult and expensive. You can use it as a reason for justifying brexit all you like but the problem will not go away in afraid.

Workers only have to organise themselves , show solidarity to overcome exploitation but many choose not to .

Good luck to those waiting for government or EU regulation to come to their rescue .

Only one way to fight exploitation , history points the way forward .

[BigLadonOS]

So your argument that the Irish border issue was well digested and understood is evidence by one two paragraph article two days before the referendum vote? Really?

how many do you want pup?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...-swing-EU-vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-irish-border

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36392112

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-35386510

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35502736

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-b...ering-10247026

https://infacts.org/vote-leave-heavy...wson-villiers/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-will-bright/

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...rthern-ireland

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-b...tline-10305205

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6933171.html

There should be enough for you to look at there mate and you can go find your own now Iv'e had enough trying to educate you.

[Exiletyke]

Sure as hell ain't gonna be resolved as long as we remain
leaving should be the beginning of putting some things right

Over the past three decades or so the Tories have clipped the wings of the Trades Unions deregulated just about anything that could have been deregulated,created the conditions of let the market decide,clipped the powers of local authorities in enforcement terms
gave free rein to business to almost do as they like, not bothered to any significant degree ensuring that taxes due by the business/corporate world are fully paid, selling off most of our utilities even the Post Office & here we are today
It will take monumental effort to put things right but we should start the process

[animallittle3]

Over the past three decades or so the Tories have clipped the wings of the Trades Unions deregulated just about anything that could have been deregulated,created the conditions of let the market decide,clipped the powers of local authorities in enforcement terms
gave free rein to business to almost do as they like, not bothered to any significant degree ensuring that taxes due by the business/corporate world are fully paid, selling off most of our utilities even the Post Office & here we are today
It will take monumental effort to put things right but we should start the process

Ain't that the truth Exile , although you forgot their brothers in arms Blair's New Labour .

[BigLadonOS]

Ain't that the truth Exile , although you forgot their brothers in arms Blair's New Labour .

Dont get me started on Blair's New Labour. Never should have had the word Labour associated with it.

[BigLadonOS]

Pup has gone a bit quiet!