O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[KerrAvon]

Remainers are now saying they won these elections because Remain parties won a bigger share of the vote, counting Labour as a Remain party even though they didn't stand as one on Thursday!

These people must be the most dishonest, duplicitous people in the world.

You don't have to add the Labour vote in to reach a position where Remain supporting parties did better than Leave supporting parties. As it stands at the moment, the leave supporting parties (Brexit and UKIP) took 34.9% of the vote whilst Remain supporting parties (Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Change UK) collectively took 40.3%.

There was no seismic shift in support of the Brexit Party – much of their support was made up from the collapse of UKIP and from disaffected Tories.

In reality, all that happened in the election was that the British public demonstrated that they are as split and polarised in their views as Parliament.

[KerrAvon]

WTO here we come thank ****kkkkk

WTO is now likely because of the inability of Parliament to agree a deal and the forthcoming resignation of May. The Brexit Party are bit players.

[Exiletyke]

No the result demonstrates that the British public are p1ssed off with the two main parties one that couldn't run a bath & the other that can't decide where the bathroom is & you like them are in denial

[KerrAvon]

The rules are aimed at ensuring fairness between the members of the club, which is hardly surprising if you stop and think about it. It wouldn’t really be fair for, say, German steelworkers to be expected to compete with subsidised British steelworkers within a single market.

I know so why be a member of a club that prevents you fom helping your own?
There are rules of procurement I understand so don't you find it odd that if you look at the public services in Germany you will find that their vehicles are almost exclusively German Mercedes BMW VW Audi etc Don't see any Dennis fire engines
Frech use almost exclusively French vehicles Citroen Peugeot Renault
Italians almost exclusively Fiat ffs
Spanish Seat not Spanish [VW] I know but made in Spain
Coincidence do you think?

I can't say that I have spent a lot of time looking at public service vehicles in European countries, Zyles. Are you a fire engine fetishist?

See my post to Grist re: WTO rules on subsidies and other support to companies. There are a number of arguments for wanting to leave the EU, but the desire to nationalise and prop up lame duck companies with taxpayer’s money is a misguided one.

Zyles is an affectionate nickname that I have thought up for you. It's based upon your user name if you look carefully.

[KerrAvon]

No the result demonstrates that the British public are p1ssed off with the two main parties one that couldn't run a bath & the other that can't decide where the bathroom is & you like them are in denial

What am I in denial of, Zyles? Is there a mistake in my arithmetic?

I would agree that the public appear to have turned their back on the compromise soft Brexit approach that May was arguing for and the ‘sit on the fence and hop that no one notices approach’ of Labour.

[KerrAvon]

Kerr you know full well that Grist's figures are wrong yet you will wilfully go along with them just to justify your opinion
Your skullduggeryness knows no bounds
Why am I not surprised?
& who's Zyles?

Grist's figure for the net contribution to the EU is correct, Zyles. I didn't refer to his incorrect figure for the cost of the NHS (or, indeed, the figure that is said to be needed to 'fix' the NHS - around £20bn pa)

[Exiletyke]

I can't say that I have spent a lot of time looking at public service vehicles in European countries, Zyles. Are you a fire engine fetishist?

See my post to Grist re: WTO rules on subsidies and other support to companies. There are a number of arguments for wanting to leave the EU, but the desire to nationalise and prop up lame duck companies with taxpayer’s money is a misguided one.

Zyles is an affectionate nickname that I have thought up for you. It's based upon your user name if you look carefully.

You don't need to spend much time looking
The evidence is self evident
You must have noticed when you spent that time in that French A&E a while back

[Exiletyke]

What am I in denial of, Zyles? Is there a mistake in my arithmetic?

I would agree that the public appear to have turned their back on the compromise soft Brexit approach that May was arguing for and the ‘sit on the fence and hop that no one notices approach’ of Labour.

The public are saying loud & clear that they have had enough of the two main parties incompetence
That's what you're in denial of

[KerrAvon]

You don't need to spend much time looking
The evidence is self evident

Well I can't believe that I have just done it, but I googled for images of Spanish fire engines and the three that I looked at were built by Mercedes, VW and MAN. Maybe it's just that the Germans are very good at building commercial vehicles? As for Dennis, maybe the market is so small that there is no value in producing Left Hand Drive variants?

Just spotted your edit. French hospitals appear to operate in much the same way as British ones in that ambulances don't actually drive into the waiting area – they would crush the patient seating there if they did.

[KerrAvon]

The public are saying loud & clear that they have had enough of the two main parties incompetence
That's what you're in denial of

You are making no sense at all. You said that I was in denial in response to a post that made no mention of the two main parties… I merely commented upon gf's maths.