O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[BigLadonOS]

Just like the country as we saw from the refrerendum and the results last Thursday. It's a complex and diffilcut issue. If we have learned nothing from the process it must be that.

Yes it is quite something at the mo but it does not change the fact that leave was the referendum winner. The only arguments we should be having if Democracy is to be served is what type of exit we should have. Not leaving or having another vote should never ever be part of the argument

[Exiletyke]

Just like the country as we saw from the refrerendum and the results last Thursday. It's a complex and diffilcut issue. If we have learned nothing from the process it must be that.

Only when you make it so

[great_fire]

You can't count the tories as leave. Or remain. If you did, you'd have to take the Labour voters as Leave as ipso facto, most Labour voters voted for remain. And that would make your disappointing stats look even worse. Sorry

I would have thought that most Remain-supporting Labour voters will have voted for the Lib Dems or Green Party though, like Alastair Campbell did. Labour were and at this point anyway, still on the fence, the Tories support leave but we don't know if that if with a deal or not.

Turnout was higher in Remain areas, many Brexit supporters didn't vote as they didn't see the point/ thought we should have already left.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I doubt that Labour are as keen as they were to want a general election.

Now they’ve pissed on their heartland support

[BigLadonOS]

I doubt that Labour are as keen as they were to want a general election.

Now they’ve pissed on their heartland support

I think you may be right lol.

[KerrAvon]

I doubt that Labour are as keen as they were to want a general election.

Now they’ve pissed on their heartland support

I was surprised to see Corbyn still sticking with his ' Waaah - I want a General Election' mantra this morning. I would think the inevitable outcome at the moment would be either a Lab/Lib Dem coalition or a Tory/Brexit Party coalition.

[ragingpup]

What the F are you on about????????? I merely used your own logic against you to prove a point that your logic is false and untrue.

Not sure if that is what you were doing but will take you at face value. Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying then

[ragingpup]

Economic arguments are not clearly & indisputably fact They are opinons no more no less
& you have more than once after being plagued with splinters told us that you favour remain so don't deny it
You'll be telling us next you didn't give us Dominic Raab as next PM

In fairness to Kerr, he has did he voted to remain but has long argued the cause for compromise in the spirit of honouring the referendum.

[ragingpup]

I was surprised to see Corbyn still sticking with his ' Waaah - I want a General Election' mantra this morning. I would think the inevitable outcome at the moment would be either a Lab/Lib Dem coalition or a Tory/Brexit Party coalition.

I kind of agree. But wonder if the greens /change would join also?

[animallittle3]

But any would Labour, with 65%voters supporting remain support Leave. It would be madness.

The working class aren't working for buttons or visiting food banks because of immigration. They are doing so because of UK domestic political policies, voted for by UK voters (sadly). We could have double brexit with waffles and prostitutes, but afterwards the working class will be collecting buttons and some of them tins. As Monty said, you are likely to find a response being a super low tax, low wage, low rights, economy with the wage undercutting (such as it goes on) done by non eu workers.

I'm afraid what we will see now is Labour doing the opposite of what you'd like, falling behind remain (as clearly compromise, grown up as it might be, doesn't work with ****ng Brexit, and their defecting remain voters will join with the entrenched remain supporters, which will further bolster remain numbers. Not in Rotherham and many such towns though. You're right, and everyone here is right that politics is London centric and neglects the North. That has to be addressed. But brexit ain't the answer to those problems. They'll stay until the economy addresses the imbalance properly, not through scapegoating.

I'd just like to know how you bring down globalisation whilst remaining in the EU raging , the EU are another master to this project and their policy of open door migration fueling cheap labour .

Surely basic economics tells you that the less cheap labour there is then the price of that labour rises , the consequences are that more is shared out at the bottom and less at the top .

In effect by leaving the EU you take that market away from them to exploit .

This is a point that seems to pass the left by and I'm forever bewildered as to why .

Or are they still banging the workers of the world unite tune ?

For sure I don't dump every problem we face on the EU but in my opinion they are a factor , the country's ramned , not enough decent housing or schools , NHS struggling for funding whilst treating an ever increasing population all the above can be eased with sensible immigration policies , policies we can't control under the EU it seems .

This was never immigration as in going to Australia or New Zealand like we do and building a better life , Brits don't have to live 6 to a terraced house to make it worthwhile do they ? , the migrants are victims too , exploited by Amazon , ASOS and Sports Direct , fecking shameful .

This was never a one stop solution by leaving the EU but more a start and I was given the opportunity to vote on that and I took it .