O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

It’s important to bear in mind that we are talking about the Euro elections here and that the results might well not translate into a GE. As an illustration, UKIP took over 27% of the vote in 2014, but achieved only a single MP in 2015 and none in the 2017 GE. The pattern of voting in the UK is that people often abandon the two main parties to register a protest vote in elections of little significance, but then return to the fold for GEs. That a GE is on first past the post is also highly significant as where support is concentrated becomes important.

The significance of the above is that it has questionable how many MPs the Greens would return and Change UK is unlikely to return any on its performance on Thursday (I think you will see defections from it to the Lib Dems in due course). I think the Brexit Party is strong enough to obtain a significant number of seats and I think the Lib Dems are capable of taking seats from both Labour and the Tories in those constituencies in which they were in second place in 2017.

Green is fairly far Left and so I can see them working with Corbyn. It’s highly questionable whether anyone from Change UK would; Corbyn wouldn’t stay in the same room as Umunna a few weeks ago, whilst the former Tories in the party are unlikely to work with the current Labour set up (Soubry is fairly well to the right).

I still think the most likely outcome of all this is a new Tory leader who tries to obtain a new deal, fails and then before sits on his or her hands until October 31st.

Do you think parliament would let him?

[KerrAvon]

How many times? 65% of Labour voters voted Remain. He could side with Leave but by simple maths, he would lose more voters.

He was going to lose some support, whichever side of the fence he decided to get down on. Last Thursday demonstrated that staying on the fence was damaging too.

I agree with your analysis; opting to support a further referendum is probably the least damaging course of action. It's also probably the only practical one given the position adopted by the party at last year's conference.

It's unlikely that he or anyone else will engineer a parliamentary vote on a further referendum without the support of the government business managers though.

[KerrAvon]

Do you think parliament would let him?

I don't think Parliament can stop him, unless they can persuade Bercow to change the rules to give them a vote (assuming that the government doesn't). That's probably a step too far, even for him

[EasyAndEarly]

Leave on WTO and concrete the bloody tunnel. Any deal would not be leaving. I trust England. I don't trust France and Germany.

The story ended for me when the withdrawal agreement included dubious methods of the EU implanting EU laws onto our statute books - without the knowledge or scrutiny of Parliament.

Remainiacs just don't acknowledge the intensity of a federal Europe and a UK under the European Court. We don't want that.

They'll be on the phone if they want to play....in the mean time - the world is ours......

[GlennMiller]

A landslide victory for Brexit but the embarrassingly biased BBC refuse to accept the result,not wanting to upset their EU paymaster.

The partiality of the BBC is a national disgrace and a dereliction of their duty. Tonight's C4 news was by far the most informed, impartial and probing review of last night's election results.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

How many times? 65% of Labour voters voted Remain. He could side with Leave but by simple maths, he would lose more voters.

You seriously believe that don’t you?

My, my, my, unbelievable

[animallittle3]

The working class in the old industrial heartlands are worth more than the cards they've been dealt .

Punishment politics decreed they were to be thrown on the scrap heap and left to rot .

New Labour thought we will give them plenty of benefits to live off and that solves the problem and invite migrants over to do the work for buttons an hour that supposedly replaced the old industries .

The Tories after taking their jobs away and pride decided they were all skivers when they returned to power , you might want to throw in the disabled and sick for good measure .

It boils my fecking blood the w@nkers in the city got away scot free by comparison when it comes to a competition on who damaged the country more .

Put some pride back in areas such as ours with proper jobs and pay , ffs give these areas the opportunity , opportunity isn't the Amazon DC's of this world .

Our areas had pride because we did proper work that required skills and made products we could take pride in .

Will it happen overnight no it won't , not even in my lifetime possibly .

But ffs start the process , get this globalisation neoliberal system out and get it out now .

The opportunity and the wealth has and must become more equal or this country is fecked forever .

If these last 3 years haven't chimed with you then you know feck all about the brexit voting communities and why they voted as they did .

[Shark27]

How many times? 65% of Labour voters voted Remain. He could side with Leave but by simple maths, he would lose more voters.

How do you know this?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

How do you know this?

Remoaners propaganda

[great_fire]

BBC and Remainers have also ignored the fact that 2 million Europeans voted in the European Election, pretty much all of them for Remain, but they would not be allowed to vote in a referendum.