O/T When the phuck will this country wake up?.

[petermackie]

The reason the product is shyte is because we are vastly underfunded by the TV companies and the English get far too much.That means that even small clubs in England can spend millions on players whereas our club's struggle to pay 50 grand for a transfer fee.I am not saying there should be parity but we should be getting a bigger share than we do.
I subscribe to BT Sport and watch mostly Scottish games,FACT.I doubt if i watched more than a handful of English games last season.

I'm the same as yourself... I'll watch a Scottish game before anything else...but think we're in the minority of subscribers... Celtic and Rangers have ruined Scottish football over the years by taking most of the decent players out of other clubs and leaving them warming benches...we had a product to sell in the early 2000s... although clubs were overspending...but never capitalised on it

[shedka]

peter, you are slavering pish as usual, the early 2000s was the worst period I can remember for Scottish football when it comes to the overall product... There has NEVER ever been a time when the old firm (rip) were so far ahead of everyone else, it was truly ridiculous how big the gap was on and off the park, league tables and results tell that clearly, they won everything, league and cups at a canter winning 3-4-5 all the time, we were a laughing stock, and the national team was at its worst ever under vogts

The overall product was at its best during the mid to late noughties during the setanta years but they went bust, at that point hearts were very strong due to romanov and split the old firm won the big cup, hibs had a crazy golden generation won the league cup, Aberdeen were strong under tangoman and reached uefa group, Utd were strong under Levein and averaging 8000-8500 regular (without derbies), Celtic reached last 16 of champions league twice, Rangers went to the uefa final, they were not winning by huge score lines every week domestically, Scotland were resurgent under Smith and theb McLeish giving World Cup winner and runner up Italy and France a run for there money

[TerryTheTerror]

I think you are being overly harsh on Pedro there,I actually agree with a lot he says in his post.

[Whitfieldarab]

Perhaps Iceland are having an anomalous period as they have a good set of players at the same time. 20 years ago they were nothing, if in 20 years time they are still in the same position they are now then you are right, it's more than luck. I have my doubts though.

Belgium were the same, they were rotten 20 years ago but are ranked no1 in the world now.

Had a wee look at the Icelandic squad there and not too many play for the top teams in Europe. A few in the premiership, a few in Russia and the rest either spattered around other European sides or playing domestically so I reckon it's largely down to having a great coach, tactics and team spirit.

Iceland to me when I've watched them have always displayed an unbelievable amount of togetherness. Maybe Scotland should take a leaf out there book and do the same, too many players recently have taken the huff and pulled out or even retired because they were benched or dropped. Matt Ritchie (who I rate) is a prime example.

[shedka]

I think you are being overly harsh on Pedro there,I actually agree with a lot he says in his post.

I don't, what do you agree with, that early 2000 period was woeful, the old firm were at the strongest they ever were as a duo, the rest of us were mince, creating a stupidly one sided product which was ridiculed more than it ever has been before it since outwith those two

Every other club I mentioned was far stronger in the mid noughties and while they still dominated the gap was much smaller due to it and cups were being won by others too

[Chick A Saw]

Stunning opening post there GB! Cant see why anyone would want to politicize it, even though i fully agree with you leanings on that score.

Im gonna wait for a while though to see where this project brave gets us, despite my thoughts its just another gimmick for people to buy into. It is sad though that we have to rely on clubs doon sooth to cherry pick the talent, and i hope we benefit from that.

In an ideal world, all the rot that blights Scottish football should be removed, but they are looking after themselves too well!

[Chick A Saw]

peter, you are slavering pish as usual, the early 2000s was the worst period I can remember for Scottish football when it comes to the overall product...

Utd were strong under Levein and averaging 8000-8500 regular (without derbies),

What was your post about shedka? Was it to have a dig at Peter, or was it just another chance to hit them with the crowd debate again?

Sometimes that pish has to be put to one side or we will never get together and sort it out!

[stokearab]

Impressed this thread is still running!

As Terry and others have said its partly about population but also, maybe mainly, to do with inept Glasgow two pleasing SFA/SPFL.

The Glasgow two are to blame for nearly everything that's wrong with Scottish football because they put everything club before country. The press wont challenge it because THEY hide away under the need to sell papers to the knuckledragging fans of both teams.

The fact that Doncaster came out saying we should be proud of what's been done on sectarianism is nothing short of disgraceful and highlights the complete buffoonery and downright Old Firm pleasing LYING that goes on. A complete joke.

So the cycle goes on.

[shedka]

What was your post about shedka? Was it to have a dig at Peter, or was it just another chance to hit them with the crowd debate again?

Sometimes that pish has to be put to one side or we will never get together and sort it out!

No I had my dig at Peter at the start as he was slavering by mentioning the early 2000s being a good product, it was the most depressing time I can remember for scottish football overall

I can do the crowd thing anytime as there is no debate that way, I was highlighting things that made that period quite clearly stronger and a better overall product

And I didn't even go in depth, was just from top of my head.

[petermackie]

peter, you are slavering pish as usual, the early 2000s was the worst period I can remember for Scottish football when it comes to the overall product... There has NEVER ever been a time when the old firm (rip) were so far ahead of everyone else, it was truly ridiculous how big the gap was on and off the park, league tables and results tell that clearly, they won everything, league and cups at a canter winning 3-4-5 all the time, we were a laughing stock, and the national team was at its worst ever under vogts

The overall product was at its best during the mid to late noughties during the setanta years but they went bust, at that point hearts were very strong due to romanov and split the old firm won the big cup, hibs had a crazy golden generation won the league cup, Aberdeen were strong under tangoman and reached uefa group, Utd were strong under Levein and averaging 8000-8500 regular (without derbies), Celtic reached last 16 of champions league twice, Rangers went to the uefa final, they were not winning by huge score lines every week domestically, Scotland were resurgent under Smith and theb McLeish giving World Cup winner and runner up Italy and France a run for there money

You seem to missing the point...just for a change...Sky TV are only interested in Celtic and Rangers....but unfortunately for Scottish football Celtic and Rangers are only interested in themselves...2003 Rangers won the treble while Celtic were humping EPL sides on route to Seville before eventually losing out to a Porto side that went on to win the champions League the next year.. Scottish football stock hadn't been so high for many a year...and hasn't been since in my opinion