O/T Cheating Lancastrian Wanchor

[goodlordmurphy]

Grandson playing for Leicestershire 2nds struggling to make his way at a supposedly better level, plays a shot toward cover point, the ball lands a foot in front of the said Lancastrian wanchor who claims the 'catch' and the incompetent umpire gives it as good. Fielders name S M O Shah...

[Exiledvillan]

I played a fair bit of underage Cricket for Warks during the late 70s and Lancs were the same then, Yorks were worse. Gobby, cheating and with a huge sense of entitlement. Have to say Middle*** were the worst.

Played a couple of times for Shrops in 1980 after we moved house. Being a minor county we were treated like lepers at Surrey. Devon and Somerset were class tho. True spirit of the game and wonderful hosts. I never played against Leic, for some reason.

Hope your Grandson uses this disappointment as a stick to beat them with in future encounters.

All the very best to him.

[Prando]

Back in the day...as a teenager I managed a reasonable schoolboy level of cricket (Birmingham Boys) playing on the County Nursery ground. I was selected as an opening bat...albeit did also bowl.
At that I played also for a local club and in one of my very initial games, I snicked a ball and walked without waiting for the umpire. Back in the pavilion I was almost reprimanded. “I hit it” I said... Should always wait for the umpire’s decision, I was told.
In fairness, I was also questioned as to whether I had seen the wicketkeeper take it cleanly...I hadn’t. mmm....

[Leicesterbaggie]

Early in my club cricket career I remember nicking the ball to the 'keeper and being given not out. The problem was that I knew I'd hit it, the 'keeper knew I'd hit and so did the majority of close in fielders. From that point I vowed I'd always walk if I hit it. I like to think that I kept that vow but like you Prando, latterly in my career, I was also 'told off' for walking when nobody appealed, and that was by the umpire. I think that if I was starting out today I'd leave it up to the umpire to make the decision as not many people do walk today.

As I informed you glm, a mate of mine scores for Leics. twos. When I see him I'll ask him if he remembers the incident with your grandson.

[goodlordmurphy]

Thanks for the kind words and observations chaps.

Look forward to how the scorer saw it LB.

[Prando]

Early in my club cricket career I remember nicking the ball to the 'keeper and being given not out. The problem was that I knew I'd hit it, the 'keeper knew I'd hit and so did the majority of close in fielders. From that point I vowed I'd always walk if I hit it. I like to think that I kept that vow but like you Prando, latterly in my career, I was also 'told off' for walking when nobody appealed, and that was by the umpire. I think that if I was starting out today I'd leave it up to the umpire to make the decision as not many people do walk today

As I informed you glm, a mate of mine scores for Leics. twos. When I see him I'll ask him if he remembers the incident with your grandson.

Somehow...again, back in the day ! I understood that it just wasn't sporting not to walk. However, my learning point that was made was it is not sufficient to know you hit it...but are you sure the fielder took it cleanly.

Towards the end of my playing (‘village cricket’) days, if you as the fielding side were aware that a batsmen was given out incorrectly, the fielding captain would call him back as he walked away. No issues with the umpires. Typically it was a ‘grounded catch’ as with glm, or a fumbled run out.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Prando, I'm still closely associated with the club that I played for and I can assure that if a player was given out and our side knew that he wasn't out, he'd still be walking. The comment would be 'swings and roundabouts' or words to that effect!

[Prando]

Prando, I'm still closely associated with the club that I played for and I can assure that if a player was given out and our side knew that he wasn't out, he'd still be walking. The comment would be 'swings and roundabouts' or words to that effect!

But what about ‘back in the day’ ? (No helmets, plastic box & jock strap and batting gloves with green rubber spikes) ��

[goodlordmurphy]

But what about ‘back in the day’ ? (No helmets, plastic box & jock strap and batting gloves with green rubber spikes) ��

I remember those Prando, used them in fact plus the pads with canes in cotton wool rolls for leg protection. A few years ago a professional cricketer retired to our village, a gentleman in every way, not a very tall man in stature, only about 5'-6" tall, but a giant of a man in cricket and indeed life itself. He played for Surrey during the period when they won the championship 7 years on the trot, although never playing for England (a travesty in many opinions) he did play for MCC versus West Indies, wearing the said equipment, he made 179 not out facing Wes Hall and Charlie Griffiths off 17 or 18 yards because it was back foot rule in those days and they were giants with legs that could stretch well beyond the popping crease. His name? Bernard 'Bernie' Constable...bless him.

[Leicesterbaggie]

What always amazes me, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that prior to the introduction of helmets batsmen didn't appear to be hit any more frequently than they do today. The bowling was just as quick, in fact quicker in some cases, therefore it had to be down to technique; I suppose it had to be! Players today can get themselves into vulnerable positions knowing that they have got the protection of a helmet.
Perhaps, as is often the case, I'm looking at things through 'rose tinted glasses' but I can always remember, as a child, the likes of Graveney, Cowdrey, Hutton etc. swaying gracefully out of the way of a short pitched delivery or, as I say, has time blurred my memory?