Bolton and Bury games likely to be suspended....latest update, what a mess.

[mellowmiller]

If you have read my reply fully WanChai, I said "
either the rules were different back when we were in trouble, or we gave solid assurances to the football league that we were capable of fulfilling our fixtures and also financially viable." so I assume that the rules were different back then? I'm not trying to be clever with you as I post and read MM most days and respect your opinion, so I assume back then that we were allowed to play in a stadium that was unfit , with no facilities and porto cabins for changing rooms?

Yes you would hope the rules were different back then (I'm pretty sure they were) and that the EFL has learned from previous situations and tightened things up. They may have done that but they still seem incredibly reluctant to enforce their rules despite them being routinely flouted.
The problems at Bolton and Bury are dragging on from last season and both clubs should have been given deadlines to get things sorted out before this new season started.
Sentiment shouldn't come into it. If they can't meet the criteria that has been set and operate within the rules they should be kicked out.
That should apply to all clubs including ours.

[millertop]

Rules were definitely different in them days but maybe some just don’t see that

[flourbasher]

What do you suppose happens in a 'fit and proper' assessment? The EFL would have been presented with people who did not have relevant criminal convictions or restrictions upon their ability to act as directors and who produced documentation that showed that they had a bob or two. That’s it.

The GMC admitted Harold Shipman as a doctor as he was deemed to be a fit and proper person to be a member of that profession. Were they at fault or is it the case that they, like, the EFL, are not clairvoyant? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Whatever the EFL,s criteria is for assessing a fit and proper persons or Director,s clearly isn't fit for purpose. Oh the irony.
You even seem to be implying it's just a few easy box s to tick . I'm not sure why you appear to be defending the EFL for their own incompetence as it is they who make the rules.

League one is a mess and all clubs are being affected.

The current owner has only been there since Dec so how can he claim to have had enough funds when only five months after taking control he's struggling.
So to imply the EFL aren't at fault because someone managed to pass their far too simplistic test isn't good enough.

The alarm bells should have been ringing when he bought the club for £1. Clearly he didn't have any money.

[kentmillerman]

Ah don't be like that kerr. It was only a bit of soft on my part hence the smiley. In fact, I have been nodding in agreement with many of your views lately.

You challenge what people say at times, as is your right but it can come across as being a bit pedantic but the nature of the "beast"
that is yourself makes it more understandable. You wouldn't be the kerr we all know and love if you didn't. Note I have put beast in inverted commas by the way.

Enjoy the sunshine sunny Jim.

Roly, I really liked you and your posts, but you now are reminding me of Roly Gullam from Parkgate. A bigot at worst and a bigot at best. Please alter. BTW I am NOT a multi.

[CAMiller]

If fit and proper purely comes down to financial clout then asset strippers will continue to have a field day. In that respect 05 and DC were without doubt not 'fit and proper' to run RUFC but where would we be without them?

[KerrAvon]

I think MT is making the point that every team who has played Bolton so far has had to play a collection of mainly kids for them to get a team out, however, if their takeover goes through then even though they will still almost certainly be relegated, they will be able to sign maybe only out of contract players, but experienced players who could/would make it a very different game to just playing against the kids, as the teams who played them early benefitted from.

That's an argument for saying that every club should be requied to stick with the squad that it has on the opening day of the season.

I agree that if Bury and Bolton survive, they could bolster their squads with what they can find in the out of contract market. I wish them luck with that. In January, they would be able to sign any player that they could persuade to join them, given that they are likely to be so far adrift that they are likely to be recruiting for League 2. I wish them luck wth that too.

[KerrAvon]

Ah don't be like that kerr. It was only a bit of soft on my part hence the smiley. In fact, I have been nodding in agreement with many of your views lately.

You challenge what people say at times, as is your right but it can come across as being a bit pedantic but the nature of the "beast"
that is yourself makes it more understandable. You wouldn't be the kerr we all know and love if you didn't. Note I have put beast in inverted commas by the way.

Enjoy the sunshine sunny Jim.

Don't be like what, Roly? You posted and I responded by saying what I think. It's what I try to do.

Why should I enjoy the sun? Excessive heat and ionising radiation isn't my thing.

[KerrAvon]

Whatever the EFL,s criteria is for assessing a fit and proper persons or Director,s clearly isn't fit for purpose. Oh the irony.
You even seem to be implying it's just a few easy box s to tick . I'm not sure why you appear to be defending the EFL for their own incompetence as it is they who make the rules.

League one is a mess and all clubs are being affected.

The current owner has only been there since Dec so how can he claim to have had enough funds when only five months after taking control he's struggling.
So to imply the EFL aren't at fault because someone managed to pass their far too simplistic test isn't good enough.

The alarm bells should have been ringing when he bought the club for £1. Clearly he didn't have any money.

How would you assess 'fit and proper' person? How would you tell what someone’s intention was when they were buying a club? Crystal ball?

How is League 1 in a mess? Plenty of posters seem to think that, but why still escapes me.

How much money Dale has is irrelevant to a point given that the key point is how much he is willing to use to support the club.

Buying a club for £1 should not be seen as unusual or revealing. You are forgetting that he was taking on a business which, like most football clubs, had substantial debts. The average club really isn't worth very much at all.

[KerrAvon]

If fit and proper purely comes down to financial clout then asset strippers will continue to have a field day. In that respect 05 and DC were without doubt not 'fit and proper' to run RUFC but where would we be without them?

What can the test come down to?

You can interview people and ask their intentions, but that won't guard against people who have an unrealistic idea of what they can achieve or people who - God forbid - tell porkies.

[mellowmiller]

If fit and proper purely comes down to financial clout then asset strippers will continue to have a field day. In that respect 05 and DC were without doubt not 'fit and proper' to run RUFC but where would we be without them?

I think Dennis Coleman was found to be not "a fit and proper person" in the early days of the test but I can't remember what the reasons were.