Bolton and Bury games likely to be suspended....latest update, what a mess.

[KerrAvon]

Whatever the EFL,s criteria is for assessing a fit and proper persons or Director,s clearly isn't fit for purpose. Oh the irony.
You even seem to be implying it's just a few easy box s to tick . I'm not sure why you appear to be defending the EFL for their own incompetence as it is they who make the rules.

League one is a mess and all clubs are being affected.

The current owner has only been there since Dec so how can he claim to have had enough funds when only five months after taking control he's struggling.
So to imply the EFL aren't at fault because someone managed to pass their far too simplistic test isn't good enough.

The alarm bells should have been ringing when he bought the club for £1. Clearly he didn't have any money.

How would you assess 'fit and proper' person? How would you tell what someone’s intention was when they were buying a club? Crystal ball?

How is League 1 in a mess? Plenty of posters seem to think that, but why still escapes me.

How much money Dale has is irrelevant to a point given that the key point is how much he is willing to use to support the club.

Buying a club for £1 should not be seen as unusual or revealing. You are forgetting that he was taking on a business which, like most football clubs, had substantial debts. The average club really isn't worth very much at all.

[flourbasher]

[QUOTE=KerrAvon;39309076]How would you assess 'fit and proper' person? How would you tell what someone’s intention was when they were buying a club? Crystal ball?

How is League 1 in a mess? Plenty of posters seem to think that, but why still escapes me.

How much money Dale has is irrelevant to a point given that the key point is how much he is willing to use to support the club.

Buying a club for £1 should not be seen as unusual or revealing. You are forgetting that he was taking on a business which, like most football clubs, had substantial debts. The average club really isn't worth very much at all.[/QUOTE





The Bury owner can't even pay the bills after a CVA which isn't just about him not wanting to spend his money on the club. If he wasn't investing in players then fair enough but he can't even pay office staff. Inability to pay the bills started only a few months after taking over.

If I were the efl I'd be speaking to lawyers, accountants, financial advisors and the fraud squad to improve my tick list.

You think perpetually having fixtures postponed from two different clubs isn't a mess? This affects all clubs not just them. If Bury survive then other teams will be asked to play on Thursday's or a Monday to catch up. If they don't survive there's matchday income lost, disgruntled season ticket holders, breaks in the fixture list. Deadlines keep getting extended with no definite end in sight. What bit of that do you think is acceptable?

Strange that Dale bought the club for £1 but only a few months later want s £2m or other large sums of money depending on the source we read from. This is after not paying the bills. EFL need to do a whole lot better and not just say we didn't have a crystal ball.

[KerrAvon]

The Bury owner can't even pay the bills after a CVA which isn't just about him not wanting to spend his money on the club. If he wasn't investing in players then fair enough but he can't even pay office staff. Inability to pay the bills started only a few months after taking over.

If I were the efl I'd be speaking to lawyers, accountants, financial advisors and the fraud squad to improve my tick list.

You think perpetually having fixtures postponed from two different clubs isn't a mess? This affects all clubs not just them. If Bury survive then other teams will be asked to play on Thursday's or a Monday to catch up. If they don't survive there's matchday income lost, disgruntled season ticket holders, breaks in the fixture list. Deadlines keep getting extended with no definite end in sight. What bit of that do you think is acceptable?

Strange that Dale bought the club for £1 but only a few months later want s £2m or other large sums of money depending on the source we read from. This is after not paying the bills. EFL need to do a whole lot better and not just say we didn't have a crystal ball.

Neither you nor I know whether Dale has the money to pay the bills. He may be taking the view that they belong to a separate legal entity – the club – and so has no intention of paying them. He may have an ulterior motive for becoming involved in the club, but, again, we don’t know.

The EFL will speak with lawyers and accountants. The former will remind them of the limits upon the extent of their powers whilst the latter will say 'yup, they are a set of accounts'. Neither can see into the minds of the prospective directors. The Fraud Squad would simply ask what the hell it is to do with them, unless there is evidence of fraud.

Realistically, the Bury situation will be sorted within days. If the club keeps its place in the league, just a handful of clubs will face an additional midweek fixture. That is nothing compared to those that will be made necessary by cup competitions and bad weather. I take the point about matchday revenue, but that is peanuts for most clubs. I wouldn’t be greatly surprised if the EFL compensates affected clubs and clubs compensate season ticket holders if one or both of the clubs fold.

[flourbasher]

Neither you nor I know whether Dale has the money to pay the bills. He may be taking the view that they belong to a separate legal entity – the club – and so has no intention of paying them. He may have an ulterior motive for becoming involved in the club, but, again, we don’t know.

The EFL will speak with lawyers and accountants. The former will remind them of the limits upon the extent of their powers whilst the latter will say 'yup, they are a set of accounts'. Neither can see into the minds of the prospective directors. The Fraud Squad would simply ask what the hell it is to do with them, unless there is evidence of fraud.

Realistically, the Bury situation will be sorted within days. If the club keeps its place in the league, just a handful of clubs will face an additional midweek fixture. That is nothing compared to those that will be made necessary by cup competitions and bad weather. I take the point about matchday revenue, but that is peanuts for most clubs. I wouldn’t be greatly surprised if the EFL compensates affected clubs and clubs compensate season ticket holders if one or both of the clubs fold.

It's the EFL,s competition so if they have problems with recent owners then they need to tighten things up not just maintain the status quo.
If the EFL,s powers are limited then that needs to change. As far as I'm aware each club has to reapply or receive an invite to play in their competition each year and it's within the EFL,s gift to make the change. They should be holding more power to control and manage these problems
If someone's just saying yes that's some accounts then that isn't good anough. Do the accounts show that the owners could sustain a football club by paying the bills would be useful.

With regard to fixture rescheduling I don't think it will be that simple. We had a fixture postponed in late July / early August vs Portsmouth and it still hasn't been able to be rescheduled. This was just one fixture in the entire division well before Bolton and Bury started their postponements. Bury will have to play Tuesdays and Thursdays to catch up and their opposition will then want their next Sat game delayed because they had to play Bury on a Thursday and so it goes on.

I agree that it's highly unlikely that either RUFC or the supporters will be compensated so our club and others will lose matchday income and that's not acceptable. I would suggest that the owner of Accrington would not agree that the lost income from two local derbies vs Bolton and Bury is insignificant