Bolton and Bury games likely to be suspended....latest update, what a mess.

[WanChaiMiller]

Your not reading what's been written. Their rules and regulations aren't tight enough to stop rogues obtaining control of football clubs. It's the EFL,s fault that they didn't have the tools at their disposal to stop the likes of S Dale
After all it is their completion and they decide who plays in it as has been demonstrated overnight so they have some control but clearly not enough

I explained two days ago what I would do to change things.

It's not good enough for anyone to suggest that rules Couldn't have been any better and therefore the EFL did everything it could have done.

It needs a serious review, lessons learnt and an serious overhaul.

I missed your post on how youd change things - will read back.

Although its totally irrelevant as EFL cannot unilaterally change any of its regulations without clubs approval and Chairmen voting it through.

[Paul Waring]

Interesting discussion on this on yesterday's radio. Some leading expert said it was all down to promotion and relegation. Another (chairman of Tranmere and ex-FA chief) blamed trickle down wage demands from top teams who are "global". However, evidence showed it had been happening for more that 100 years and was just as common in France and Germany as here.

[flourbasher]

Bolton have been treated differently to Bury and appear to have been given another 14d after we we were told their deadline was yesterday.

I too would like these clubs to be saved but why has one club been given a reprieve and one not.
Perhaps it's because Bolton are able to fulfil some of their fixtures And the EFL said no more games can be postponed.
Having said that it was the EFL than postponed Bury,s fixtures and not the club. Bolton have postponed one but it is they that are allowed to carry on.

The EFL aren't an organisation that installs much confidence and that's being polite

[flourbasher]

I missed your post on how youd change things - will read back.

Although its totally irrelevant as EFL cannot unilaterally change any of its regulations without clubs approval and Chairmen voting it through.

I think the EFL might get some decent support from the other clubs on proposed changes and more robust governance. They can't have been happy with the situation

[WanChaiMiller]

I think the EFL might get some decent support from the other clubs on proposed changes and more robust governance. They can't have been happy with the situation

The club Chairman voted the current set of regulations through so must have been happy with them at the time.

The problems of these two clubs are caused by a different set of events.

Bury went because the owners business went bust. The same could happen to any club.

Bolton appear to have built up long term structural debt that can only be serviced on income playing at Premiership and Champioship level.

[mellowmiller]

The club Chairman voted the current set of regulations through so must have been happy with them at the time.

The problems of these two clubs are caused by a different set of events.

Bury went because the owners business went bust. The same could happen to any club.

Bolton appear to have built up long term structural debt that can only be serviced on income playing at Premiership and Champioship level.

So based on your last sentence Bolton are a business that is unsustainable?
I can't understand why you think clubs like that should be treated with kid gloves by a woefully weak governing body. They made their bed, they broke the rules, they are now flouting the rules so why shouldn't they suffer the ultimate sanction?
Yes it's not the fans' fault but it wasn't the customers' fault when the likes of BHS went bust leaving thousands out of work and with their pensions shot to pieces because of a greedy, unscrupulous owner.
If football truly is a business it should surely suffer the same consequences as any other business that becomes unsustainable and unable to find anyone with sufficient financial clout to take it over.
It's harsh, but reality often is and kicking the can further down the road won't be the long term solution for clubs like Bolton.

[millertop]

Think you’ll probably find that all clubs/chairs did not vote for.
Obviously just one extra vote and EFL get their way.

You’ll definitely find majority were against ‘B’ teams so the EFL changed the financial rules to get them onside (allegedly)

Seriously do you honestly think there isn’t a problem within football Wan?

[WanChaiMiller]

So based on your last sentence Bolton are a business that is unsustainable?.

The Administrator said it was unsustainable in its current form. Presumably it can work if someone took over with deep enough pockets. Look at Chelsea when Abramovitch took over.

[WanChaiMiller]

Think you’ll probably find that all clubs/chairs did not vote for.
Obviously just one extra vote and EFL get their way.

You’ll definitely find majority were against ‘B’ teams so the EFL changed the financial rules to get them onside (allegedly)

Seriously do you honestly think there isn’t a problem within football Wan?

Isnt that how democracy works? And is it the EFL or League Chairman getting their way? I think youre blind sided in you effort to slag off the EFL.

Of course there is a problem with finance in the sport. This is caused by clubs themselves over committing - and more often than not by supporters pushing owners too hard.

Rotherham is overgeared propped up by money from a willing Chairman and still fans push for more spending (look at this message board). If anything should happen to Stewarts income stream we will be in the same boat as Bury.

Fans pushed Booth too far that tipped him over the edge and he quit. Many thought he was taking money out of the club and all it needed was owners to use all the money the club generated and we'd be fine. However, Millers05 soon found out we were overgeared. It followed us losing our ground, 2 insolvencies and 7 years of pain before we got back on track. That had nothing to do with a weak EFL - just plain stupidity.

I think the EFL worked with us to manage the club through a very difficult period. I hope we repay it by being around for very many years to come and make the FL a better competition for us being part of it.

[millertop]

Read the bottom sentence Wan.

http://bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49493929.