Bolton/Bury

[Returnofrros]

Shudder....takes you back.

Think you always think someone/something will save a club.....but.....looking unlikely.

Bolton 15k average crowd bury just shy of 4k......not the biggest of clubs or even comfortably the 6th biggest in England but still rotten.

Only side I never felt any sympathy for was Gretna, even Livvy and rangers I felt for....not much but a bit.

[jdfc]

I blame it all on Sky, they have everyone chasing the dream ticket, hard to believe an established club with over one hundred years of history can go down the tubes, because of a debt the size of an average players wage in the EPL

[deecom]

Feel sorry for the Bury fans especially after getting promotion and disappointed that Man U and Man city, never offered any help after using Bury as a feeder club years ago.
I remember when the Dee's were in admin, I thought if the Dee's go then that's me finished with football. After supporting the Dee's for over 50 years , couldnt support any one else.
Would have ended going round the junior teams.

[eric_sinclair]

The fans and the employees are the one I have sympathy for.All those years of history and no doubt memories just gone because of someone's mistake.There is enough money in the game to help these clubs but they don't seem to matter.The bigger teams and the league should have stepped in and helped if only for the fans and the employees.

[Returnofrros]

The fans and the employees are the one I have sympathy for.All those years of history and no doubt memories just gone because of someone's mistake.There is enough money in the game to help these clubs but they don't seem to matter.The bigger teams and the league should have stepped in and helped if only for the fans and the employees.

We had a chance to change the voting system when rangers were ****ed but Aberdeen voted with celtic.....chance will never come up again.

There will always be bigger and smaller club's but people want uncertainty and competition.

Not much now.

Every top league in Europe is a one or two horse race, champions league only 4 or 5 potential winners.

Even watching spurs v Newcastle or bmouth v city the other day was like watching attackers v defenders.....it's no great.

[Returnofrros]

Just to add, I often wonder if Celtic and rangers left if it would be viable to have our full time club's and some if the smaller medium sized club's from the north of England.....say us, dons, dabs, Mwell, killie, st j, pars, falkirk, raith, Ayr, hibs, hearts, Carlisle, Bradford, Boro, York......just feel there's a real big change coming.

[hmac]

Just to add, I often wonder if Celtic and rangers left if it would be viable to have our full time club's and some if the smaller medium sized club's from the north of England.....say us, dons, dabs, Mwell, killie, st j, pars, falkirk, raith, Ayr, hibs, hearts, Carlisle, Bradford, Boro, York......just feel there's a real big change coming.

We, or any team smaller than us, wouldn’t get a look in. We’re tiny in the scheme of things, even the English Championship dwarfs such a Leage by miles

[Returnofrros]

We, or any team smaller than us, wouldn’t get a look in. We’re tiny in the scheme of things

Aye I know under the current structure but if Celtic and rangers pissed off for good to a European league instead of the rest outside say the top 40 to 60 clubs in Europe accepting uefas pyramid system.....ie possibly down to 2 european leagues and an east and west league then national leagues......I'd like to see club's from the size of hearts hibs down the way trying to do their own thing.....I sometimes wonder what some of the smaller club's in the north of England get out of being in the English system.....a northern British league may have a bit more appeal to the Scottish teams and them....

Celtic and rangers were always the biggest clubs but they are super club's now compared to the rest I'd imagine back in the day when they were getting 40 to 50k and provincial club's 10 to 20 the gap never seemed so big but now...pfft... and there seems to be super club's in every country.

If you can run amateur and junior football next to senior surely it's possible to run senior leagues out with UEFA, SFA control?

[hmac]

Aye I know under the current structure but if Celtic and rangers pissed off for good to a European league instead of the rest outside say the top 40 to 60 clubs in Europe accepting uefas pyramid system.....ie possibly down to 2 european leagues and an east and west league then national leagues......I'd like to see club's from the size of hearts hibs down the way trying to do their own thing.....I sometimes wonder what some of the smaller club's in the north of England get out of being in the English system.....a northern British league may have a bit more appeal to the Scottish teams and them....

Celtic and rangers were always the biggest clubs but they are super club's now compared to the rest I'd imagine back in the day when they were getting 40 to 50k and provincial club's 10 to 20 the gap never seemed so big but now...pfft... and there seems to be super club's in every country.

If you can run amateur and junior football next to senior surely it's possible to run senior leagues out with UEFA, SFA control?

I think highly unlikely due to cross border aspect, FIFA and UEFA try to avoid that outside own competitions. It would need to eb some form of breakaway and on islands this size i do think there's no chance.

Football as we know it is dying, the top levels are becoming behemoths and the rest of us after the crumbs. I hear people in pubs arguing about VAR and being super experts without having gone to a game in the last decade. The beauty of football was always that it was the same game everywhere, now it is not with various rules and regulation changes. Not sure we can ever get it back now.

[Taintedice]

We had a chance to change the voting system when rangers were ****ed but Aberdeen voted with celtic.....chance will never come up again.

think that's a bit harsh on Aberdeen as there were a lot of changes at the time and they didn't vote against important issues such as reconstruction, enhanced parachute payments and re-distribution of prize money to the SFL, which would see SFL 1 clubs pick up 10 times the prize money the SFL were giving them at the time. These were the real benefits to come out of Rangers' demise, as we're seeing now we're down. To change 11-1 to 9-3 could have seen reintroduction of gate receipts being shared which any fair-minded individual would argue really isn't fair on the bigger clubs. I think that would have completely unbalanced the game at the time, with 4th tier teams playing Rangers, for example, receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds to do nothing with. Anyway, that's my take on it. As for Bury, they've been kicked out the EFL, but they are still intact for now and can look to join one of the pyramid leagues and get back up, same as AFC Wimbledon and Salford City. So it's not the end for them. I think Bolton are phukked, too much debt