O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[Elite_Pie]

Ok ok, all pretty standard Soccerman stuff, although I think you forgot a 'LOL'.

I'm intrigued by the last two words though, anyone know what this tortured genius is trying to say?

"History, son!" - Bored by the lack of stimulating debating partners, Soccerman delivers an exhortation to hit the history books in order to reach his level of enlightenment.

"Historysson" Soccerman is employing cryptic syntax to tip us off about promising young player from the Swedish youth leagues without alerting bigger clubs.

"History...son..." Soccerman is actually off his head on psychedelics and is about to launch into a stream of consciousness commentary on his trip, offering a melancholic yet revealing glimpse into the man behind the legend as he reflects on his life moments after gaining unlimited universal wisdom.

I love the 'tortured genius' bit, wish I'd have thought of it! I love it when Soccerman enters these debates because I think many of those who broadly agree with him are left thinking "ffs, did you really have to say that, do you realise you are weakening our case?".

[crazyfists]

The swamp is finally going to be drained. The remainers aka anti democrats will soon be history. Go Boris.

Boris and Trump are the swamp, only a fool would think otherwise.

[the_anticlough]

There are also over 400 MPs who went against the wishes of their constituents and backed remain, some went against leave votes as high as 70/30 many of these mps are being seen as traitors and will be kicked into touch at a general election

we'll have this discussion again on november 1st

Where to start? In such a close vote, the cases of leave MPs representing remain constituencies are just as prevalent
You have 2 other problems. Polls over the past year have consistently pointed to a lead for remaining. Most people have seen through the conmen. Then of course the original vote will always be seen as illegitimate - the lies, the law breaking, the exclusion of voters. It was the biggest scam ever played on the british people.

November 1st will be just another day but that election is coming. This rotten crooked govt could well be out on its ear next week. Pfeffel will probably accept Farage's nazi-style 'non-aggression' pact. Building on yesterday, labour, lib dems, green, SNP, Plaid etc might not run candidates against each other in the upcoming GE.

[BigFatPie]

Where to start? In such a close vote, the cases of leave MPs representing remain constituencies are just as prevalent
You have 2 other problems. Polls over the past year have consistently pointed to a lead for remaining. Most people have seen through the conmen. Then of course the original vote will always be seen as illegitimate - the lies, the law breaking, the exclusion of voters. It was the biggest scam ever played on the british people.

November 1st will be just another day but that election is coming. This rotten crooked govt could well be out on its ear next week. Pfeffel will probably accept Farage's nazi-style 'non-aggression' pact. Building on yesterday, labour, lib dems, green, SNP, Plaid etc might not run candidates against each other in the upcoming GE.

Correct. Even the morons on the far left of the Labour Party have realised its time to pick a side and that it isn’t the side of Pfeffel and co. The myth of Lexit has finally been busted.

Brexit is a far right racist project.

[sidders]

Most leavers on here seem to think that the main job of an MP is to simply reflect what the majority of his/her electors are saying. What would be the point of that - an abacus could be an MP on that basis. The great statesmen are not led by populist opinion but by reflecting on each situation according to its merits.

[jackal2]

Pfeffel will probably accept Farage's nazi-style 'non-aggression' pact. Building on yesterday, labour, lib dems, green, SNP, Plaid etc might not run candidates against each other in the upcoming GE.

I wouldn't go betting my house on either of those scenarios if I were you.

Boris' actions today are about fermenting an environment where he doesn't need to do deals with the Farage to command the Leave vote, and the superficial agreement between the remain parties yesterday was a mixture of temporary convenience and political theatre.

All of these parties (and their leaders) have big egos and there won't be much (if any) non-aggression come general election time on either side of the remain/leave divide. When push comes to shove, they are ALL in it for themselves first and foremost.

[the_anticlough]

I wouldn't go betting my house on either of those scenarios if I were you.

Boris' actions today are about fermenting an environment where he doesn't need to do deals with the Farage to command the Leave vote, and the superficial agreement between the remain parties yesterday was a mixture of temporary convenience and political theatre.

All of these parties (and their leaders) have big egos and there won't be much (if any) non-aggression come general election time on either side of the remain/leave divide. When push comes to shove, they are ALL in it for themselves first and foremost.

No, I'm not thinking about 'Betting my house'

Well, most likely the election will be like all others. But either Farage keeps his 10% + and damages the tories or he stands down his army. All the other parties will be watching this very closely. They'll see that the leave vote split 1-2 ways will beat their vote split 4 ways, leading to economic misery and 5 years of Pfeffel and Trump. Don't assume the parties will sleepwalk into that. We're being surprised on a daily basis by unprecedented events in our politics. We're not in normal times, so I wouldn't rule out even politicians behaving in new ways if I were you.

[Elite_Pie]

I wouldn't go betting my house on either of those scenarios if I were you.

Boris' actions today are about fermenting an environment where he doesn't need to do deals with the Farage to command the Leave vote, and the superficial agreement between the remain parties yesterday was a mixture of temporary convenience and political theatre.

All of these parties (and their leaders) have big egos and there won't be much (if any) non-aggression come general election time on either side of the remain/leave divide. When push comes to shove, they are ALL in it for themselves first and foremost.

My prediction is that we'll leave on the 31st with a deal that is very similar to the one Theresa May brokered, which means that not many on either side will be satisfied. Boris Johnson is acting like Billy Big Bollox at the moment but the EU won't blink first, so he will have to take any tiny concession they offer and proclaim it as a triumph. After that, his puppet master over the pond will realise he has him by the balls and will offer a "really great trade deal", that is really great for the USA.

In case I've got it wrong, my planning for no deal is gathering pace. I have had a bumper crop of runner beans and French beans (don't know if I'll have to pay a tariff on the latter) so my freezer is filling rapidly. I have also matched my 2lb 12oz onion record with plenty more still growing, and with careful storage they should last until Christmas. Add to that I have a row of parsnips and leeks which I can pick fresh over winter, so I will permit myself a smug smile when people are complaining about prices in the supermarkets.

[JoePass]

My prediction is that we'll leave on the 31st with a deal that is very similar to the one Theresa May brokered, which means that not many on either side will be satisfied. Boris Johnson is acting like Billy Big Bollox at the moment but the EU won't blink first, so he will have to take any tiny concession they offer and proclaim it as a triumph. After that, his puppet master over the pond will realise he has him by the balls and will offer a "really great trade deal", that is really great for the USA.

In case I've got it wrong, my planning for no deal is gathering pace. I have had a bumper crop of runner beans and French beans (don't know if I'll have to pay a tariff on the latter) so my freezer is filling rapidly. I have also matched my 2lb 12oz onion record with plenty more still growing, and with careful storage they should last until Christmas. Add to that I have a row of parsnips and leeks which I can pick fresh over winter, so I will permit myself a smug smile when people are complaining about prices in the supermarkets.

Worth every single penny to get away from the EU Third Reich.

[Elite_Pie]

Worth every single penny to get away from the EU Third Reich.

That's ok for you and me, but what about those who don't have the extra pennies?