OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

do you like that line bringing us back on topic Adi?

[MadAmster]

Following the storm of comments on various (anti) social media sites, it seems the blinkers are firmly on.

A awful lot of spleen is being vented at Corbyn and 3287 others who voted to take No Deal off the table. What the online venomous appear to be accusing them of is stopping Brexit. Now, I may be wrong so feel free to correct me if I am, but are they really trying to stop Brexit or just the No Deal. The latter I believe.

They aren't "going against the will of the people" as accused but actually looking out for the populace by getting the best possible exit from the EU....... The backstop (aka Brexit In Name Only - "BRINO") only has the UK out of the EU with regard to the decision making process. It is IN everything else including paying the £39Bn divorce bill, including billions more a year to the EU for "free trade", freedom of movement and the customs union. To me that is not Brexit. That situation will last for decades or, more likely, ad infinitum, because it is almost impossible to come up with a solution to the Irish border issue that will satisfy all 28 countries. No Deal is seen by most MPs as akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face which is why they don't want it. Their job is to do what they feel is in the best interests of the country and their constituents. That so many of them seem hell bent on losing their current job in about 6 weeks by stpping No Deal is food for thought. They want to stop something they think is bad for the country and are prepared to get the "sack" for trying to get something better.........

There will be some who want to stop the whole shebang completely. The majority want Brexit as that became policy after the referendum. Just not at any price.

[mistaram]

Following the storm of comments on various (anti) social media sites, it seems the blinkers are firmly on.

A awful lot of spleen is being vented at Corbyn and 3287 others who voted to take No Deal off the table. What the online venomous appear to be accusing them of is stopping Brexit. Now, I may be wrong so feel free to correct me if I am, but are they really trying to stop Brexit or just the No Deal. The latter I believe.

They aren't "going against the will of the people" as accused but actually looking out for the populace by getting the best possible exit from the EU....... The backstop (aka Brexit In Name Only - "BRINO") only has the UK out of the EU with regard to the decision making process. It is IN everything else including paying the £39Bn divorce bill, including billions more a year to the EU for "free trade", freedom of movement and the customs union. To me that is not Brexit. That situation will last for decades or, more likely, ad infinitum, because it is almost impossible to come up with a solution to the Irish border issue that will satisfy all 28 countries. No Deal is seen by most MPs as akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face which is why they don't want it. Their job is to do what they feel is in the best interests of the country and their constituents. That so many of them seem hell bent on losing their current job in about 6 weeks by stpping No Deal is food for thought. They want to stop something they think is bad for the country and are prepared to get the "sack" for trying to get something better.........

There will be some who want to stop the whole shebang completely. The majority want Brexit as that became policy after the referendum. Just not at any price.

Spot on MA but we now know who the government are trying to shift the blame to

[mistaram]

I will just leave this here and let it sink in..

''If you need proof that Trump is a racist in wasting my feckin time debating with you ffs''

Geoff's post sums my view up perfectly..

Mexicans, thieves and rapists.. Factually correct in some cases. Not all of course but a big issue in the USA.
He does and says a lot I don't agree with but the left are quick to use this labelling tactic. The problem with that is hen there is a real racist point to make, it all gets lost. That is a big problem for me.

Yes we will have to beg to suffer If your not prepared to counter my argument and put a case for Trump not being a racist Personally in not interested in what people accepted in 60/70s we live in 2019 now They used to send boys up chimneys but doubt we except it nowadays

[ramAnag]

Im not suggesting there was any good in the 60s and 70s racism, ***ism, homophobism or any -ism in fact.

But today's constant whingeing and labelling as -ist of every minor transgression of action or word just pisses me of, and actually disrespects those who fought against the unacceptable -isms of the past.

I agree that there is a degree of a return to the racial abuse at football matches just now: hopefully a minor blip - maybe influenced by the continued truly racist attitudes shown in parts of eastern Europe, eg Montenegro England game and various Russian matches in Champions / Europa League.

Now the polemecist would suggest that the revival of racial abuse at football might be due to the growing population of Eastern Europeans in the UK. Thus brexit will result in a decrease in racism in british society.. No, there doesnt seem to be a tongue in cheek smiley here

I know you weren’t...it was just a reference to your phrase, ‘good old fashioned hardcore racism’ which I too remember all too well from the 60’s and the 70’s.

It is easy to get pissed off with those who use any excuse to play the racist/ageist/***ist card, but that shouldn’t, imo, stop us from calling genuine examples out wherever they occur.

Very much agree with MA’s appraisal of the Brexit situation. Thought Johnson was dreadful on Monday night and Rees-Mogg just looked the arrogant prat he is in Parliament last night.

Heard an analogy about ‘no deal’ Brexit from someone on the radio today...he described it as someone trying to buy a property but not getting their own way and then threatening to burn their own house down in response. Very apt I thought.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Then again BoJo and Reesmog (he should come from Middlesbro with a name like that) probably have several houses, so whats the problem with the odd one burning down.

Problem is that if you don't have a credible threat with which to renegotiate brexit, we will still get the brino that MA refers to. "The people" asked for brexit, most of the politicians don't want it, the EU wont renegotiate it properly and now we try to re negotiate it with a hand or two tied behind our back. Total balls up. Might as well give up now. BJ therefore needs to find a scapegoat so he can say "we tried but those pesky kids wouldn't let us" to avoid annihilation at the imminent election. Corbyn et al are handing him one on a plate. Likely pyrrhic victory as both parties fall into disrepute with a big chunk of their own supporters

Trying to see anything good coming out of this whole debacle may be difficult, but perhaps the electoral destruction of both our two major parties might be some cold comfort.

[AdiSalisbury]

do you like that line bringing us back on topic Adi?

Absolutely, can't be spamming the thread now can we? Unless you're RA, who has stockpiled spam under his rose bush, in preparation for our impending no deal starvation risk

[AngryRam]

Yes we will have to beg to suffer If your not prepared to counter my argument and put a case for Trump not being a racist Personally in not interested in what people accepted in 60/70s we live in 2019 now They used to send boys up chimneys but doubt we except it nowadays

I did in some small way counter a point about Trump being a racist.. The Mexicans. Not sure if it was you or the drama queen who quoted that as an example. Can't be arsed to look.
You could counter my point, or not bother.. Means little to me, hence I said we should stay away from the topic.

[AngryRam]

Same old Angry...same old strategy.
Doesn’t like being challenged so rapidly resorts to rudeness and abuse.
If you want to debate...fine. If you don’t I won’t waste my time and I’ll answer GP’s more articulate point instead.

PMSL..
Adi will translate that for you.

[ramAnag]

Then again BoJo and Reesmog (he should come from Middlesbro with a name like that) probably have several houses, so whats the problem with the odd one burning down.

Problem is that if you don't have a credible threat with which to renegotiate brexit, we will still get the brino that MA refers to. "The people" asked for brexit, most of the politicians don't want it, the EU wont renegotiate it properly and now we try to re negotiate it with a hand or two tied behind our back. Total balls up. Might as well give up now. BJ therefore needs to find a scapegoat so he can say "we tried but those pesky kids wouldn't let us" to avoid annihilation at the imminent election. Corbyn et al are handing him one on a plate. Likely pyrrhic victory as both parties fall into disrepute with a big chunk of their own supporters

Trying to see anything good coming out of this whole debacle may be difficult, but perhaps the electoral destruction of both our two major parties might be some cold comfort.

Correction...some of the people ‘advised’ that they supported Brexit, many of them having been deliberately misled.

Is it a ‘credible threat’ GP? What is the point of having a threat which everyone knows you don’t want to use because it damages the UK more than the EU?