O/T Democracy

[ragingpup]

I hate to assume that anyone else can comment but here goes
I read with interest the article you cited Paragraph 1 immediately gives me cause to think that the author is just engaging in scare tactics viz
At first sight it’s incomprehensible. Why risk everything for a no-deal Brexit? Breaking up their own party, losing their parliamentary majority, dismantling the UK, trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine: how could any objective, for the Conservative and Unionist party, be worth this? What good does it do them?
" trashing the economy, triggering shortages of food and medicine" ...........his opinion purporting to be fact
Paragraph 3 says as an opener
"This, I believe, is the key to understanding what is happening today."

the use of the words "I believe" now makes the rest of the article clearer, ie his opinion
Stating his opinion as fact does the rest of the article no favours

This was for animals attn as we were having interesting discussion, have similar interests on where we'd like to go, and genuinely interested in his thoughts on this article, as it summed up my worries. I know already that you, Exile, Flour would simply dismiss it as Project Fear, as you do with every concern about your favoured outcome, hence it wasn't really directed to you.

However, your welcome to respond of course. I can only say of course it is just his opinion, just as all speculation on what might happen in any Brexit outcome is just opinion. How can it be anything different? Your projections are speculation, your opinion. What else do you think it is? Do you somehow think that your own speculation/opinion is more valid somehow just because your speculation/opinion favours leave?

The writer, and me, may of course be very wrong. But I would be very worried about the real motives behind the very wealthy sponsors pressuring for No Deal for the reasons he gives.

We could give them the benefit of the deal and say that these sponsors simply want to expand into new world trade agreements. Fair enough but this will of course us negotiating and compromising on all kinds of arrangements just as we do with the EU. And as Wanchai points out, those of you who oppose the Globalist nature of neo liberalism have a huge contradiction to answer for here (hi Fire!)

[ragingpup]

The current EU laws on Employment are ghastly and protect no-one.

As i said before I can buy fake goods from African gentlemen (if I wanted) in spain while eating my lunch in a restaurant while a policeman looks on outside a shop that pays taxes and its a normal occurrence.....other cultures and economic factors make this project a joke

So we should do away with international trade standards simply because spivs are operating on the continent?

(and of course, British spivs peddling fake goods don't operate in the UK do they?! not like them nasty furriners)

[ragingpup]

The current EU laws on Employment are ghastly and protect no-one.

As i said before I can buy fake goods from African gentlemen (if I wanted) in spain while eating my lunch in a restaurant while a policeman looks on outside a shop that pays taxes and its a normal occurrence.....other cultures and economic factors make this project a joke

These laws don't protect workers?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7531366.html

Why would you want to see them abolished?

[WanChaiMiller]

The current EU laws on Employment are ghastly and protect no-one.

As i said before I can buy fake goods from African gentlemen (if I wanted) in spain while eating my lunch in a restaurant while a policeman looks on outside a shop that pays taxes and its a normal occurrence.....other cultures and economic factors make this project a joke

Whats an African selling fake goods in Spain got to do with the UK deregulating its Employment Law.

[WanChaiMiller]

The current EU laws on Employment are ghastly and protect no-one.

As i said before I can buy fake goods from African gentlemen (if I wanted) in spain while eating my lunch in a restaurant while a policeman looks on outside a shop that pays taxes and its a normal occurrence.....other cultures and economic factors make this project a joke

Actually, whats the EU got to do with Spain enforcing it domestic laws. I'll answer that - nothing.

[ragingpup]

Actually, whats the EU got to do with Spain enforcing it domestic laws. I'll answer that - nothing.

I think, being kind, that it's just that GM is struggling to understand what employment law is, and is resorting to quite random casual xenophobia!

[WanChaiMiller]

I think, being kind, that it's just that GM is struggling to understand what employment law is, and is resorting to quite random casual xenophobia!

Like referencing the 'Africa Gentleman'. I get it. Lol.

[Exiletyke]

These laws don't protect workers?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7531366.html

Why would you want to see them abolished?

This is twice you've referenced the same article
So I will ask you again, have you experienced first hand the appalling practices of agency employment
Where's the EU?
And if you wish to have a private discussion with Animal could I suggest you avail yourself of the PM system

[ragingpup]

This is twice you've referenced the same article
So I will ask you again, have you experienced first hand the appalling practices of agency employment
Where's the EU?
And if you wish to have a private discussion with Animal could I suggest you avail yourself of the PM system

Yes I have. I did it for 3 summers in Wakefield whilst I was a student. It was pretty awful and in some cases not entirely lawful. As I've said many times before, employers break the law and will continue to do so. Lack of enforcement is as much down to political will in the UK as it is in the EU.

So are you advocating that the UK should do away with these protections? If so, why?

(It was for animal as it was with him I was discussing it but others may be interested and were welcome to respond if they wish. I just know what your response was going to be, but I was rather surprised you seem to be decrying the writer for actually expressing an opinion, as if that is different somehow to what you are doing.)

[Exiletyke]

Yes I have. I did it for 3 summers in Wakefield whilst I was a student. It was pretty awful and in some cases not entirely lawful. As I've said many times before, employers break the law and will continue to do so. Lack of enforcement is as much down to political will in the UK as it is in the EU.

So are you advocating that the UK should do away with these protections? If so, why?

(It was for animal as it was with him I was discussing it but others may be interested and were welcome to respond if they wish. I just know what your response was going to be, but I was rather surprised you seem to be decrying the writer for actually expressing an opinion, as if that is different somehow to what you are doing.)

When were these 3 summers?
Not entirely lawful ???
No I am not advocating doing away with these protections but what good is it to introduce laws that largely the EU or the UK do not enforce
Without enforcement the law is just so much arsewipe
So don't run away with the notion that the EU is some sort of knight in shining armour
Isn't that why we are so much up sh1t creek since May & co got rid of 20,000 police officers?