O/T Democracy

[KerrAvon]

Very complicated Ex - I can only suggest in a simplistic way that at least part of the problem is the UK workforce, for whatever reason, and from directors down to shop floor, do not produce as much output as other countries looking at headline productivity data. My gut feeling from this is a mixture of people not fully engaging with their jobs. This could be due to poor pay and conditions in which they work, the cumulative result of the gig economy, the fact that we have high employment but poor employment quality. The bottom line is that people who are happy with their job, their pay and working conditions, on the whole are more productive, have more belief in their workplace, and put more work into their role, than people who are unhappy with their pay and conditions for whatever reason.

Opinion from a layman I admit, but seems common sense to me.

I think Howdy was a bit harsh, but I do think your position to be terribly naive and idelogically led (God forbid that anyone should describe you as a zealot though).

A couple of days ago, I think you posted a link to the effect that large scale immigration from the EU has had a limited effect on wage levels. I'd agree with that - the real effect has been on productivity - employers using a plentiful supply of labour as an alternative to investment in technological solutions and other ways of increasing efficiency with a fixed work force.

[BigLadonOS]

I think Howdy was a bit harsh, but I do think your position to be terribly naive and idelogically led (God forbid that anyone should describe you as a zealot though).

A couple of days ago, I think you posted a link to the effect that large scale immigration from the EU has had a limited effect on wage levels. I'd agree with that - the real effect has been on productivity - employers using a plentiful supply of labour as an alternative to investment in technological solutions and other ways of increasing efficiency with a fixed work force.

The true effect of immigration is seen in housing, healthcare, crime and education more than jobs and is the main reason I voted to leave. We are taking in more people than our infrastructure can handle and it needs to stop now because as the saying goes " the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" Rich people would like nothing more than to keep the working classes down trodden where they think we belong.