O/T Democracy

[howdydoo]

Very complicated Ex - I can only suggest in a simplistic way that at least part of the problem is the UK workforce, for whatever reason, and from directors down to shop floor, do not produce as much output as other countries looking at headline productivity data. My gut feeling from this is a mixture of people not fully engaging with their jobs. This could be due to poor pay and conditions in which they work, the cumulative result of the gig economy, the fact that we have high employment but poor employment quality. The bottom line is that people who are happy with their job, their pay and working conditions, on the whole are more productive, have more belief in their workplace, and put more work into their role, than people who are unhappy with their pay and conditions for whatever reason.

Opinion from a layman I admit, but seems common sense to me.

Biggest load of tripe ever posted on here.

Fact.

Clueless.

[animallittle3]

Biggest load of tripe ever posted on here.

Fact.

Clueless.

Well you've trashed Raging's opinion , any chance you can counter it with your own views and ideas ?

[KerrAvon]

Very complicated Ex - I can only suggest in a simplistic way that at least part of the problem is the UK workforce, for whatever reason, and from directors down to shop floor, do not produce as much output as other countries looking at headline productivity data. My gut feeling from this is a mixture of people not fully engaging with their jobs. This could be due to poor pay and conditions in which they work, the cumulative result of the gig economy, the fact that we have high employment but poor employment quality. The bottom line is that people who are happy with their job, their pay and working conditions, on the whole are more productive, have more belief in their workplace, and put more work into their role, than people who are unhappy with their pay and conditions for whatever reason.

Opinion from a layman I admit, but seems common sense to me.

I think Howdy was a bit harsh, but I do think your position to be terribly naive and idelogically led (God forbid that anyone should describe you as a zealot though).

A couple of days ago, I think you posted a link to the effect that large scale immigration from the EU has had a limited effect on wage levels. I'd agree with that - the real effect has been on productivity - employers using a plentiful supply of labour as an alternative to investment in technological solutions and other ways of increasing efficiency with a fixed work force.

[BigLadonOS]

I think Howdy was a bit harsh, but I do think your position to be terribly naive and idelogically led (God forbid that anyone should describe you as a zealot though).

A couple of days ago, I think you posted a link to the effect that large scale immigration from the EU has had a limited effect on wage levels. I'd agree with that - the real effect has been on productivity - employers using a plentiful supply of labour as an alternative to investment in technological solutions and other ways of increasing efficiency with a fixed work force.

The true effect of immigration is seen in housing, healthcare, crime and education more than jobs and is the main reason I voted to leave. We are taking in more people than our infrastructure can handle and it needs to stop now because as the saying goes " the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" Rich people would like nothing more than to keep the working classes down trodden where they think we belong.

[howdydoo]

Well you've trashed Raging's opinion , any chance you can counter it with your own views and ideas ?

Not really. They don’t really wash with Raging.

I’m a doer, he’s a dreamer. I live it, he talks about it. I pay it, he knows how to spend it.

Not the first idea about productivity or the workplace.

Never really understood how these uber intelligent individuals who basically pay **** all back into the system in tax, know better than I do.

Not having it. Part of the problem, not the solution.

As bad as the filthy rich. They really are.


Says that idiot Howdydoo, as he contemplates on investing his time on another project that will save around 30 jobs in the region.

[ragingpup]

I think Howdy was a bit harsh, but I do think your position to be terribly naive and idelogically led (God forbid that anyone should describe you as a zealot though).

A couple of days ago, I think you posted a link to the effect that large scale immigration from the EU has had a limited effect on wage levels. I'd agree with that - the real effect has been on productivity - employers using a plentiful supply of labour as an alternative to investment in technological solutions and other ways of increasing efficiency with a fixed work force.

Fair points Kerr but most places employ UK workers, still vast majority of the workforce, and your point doesn't really seem to explain why the whole UK work force still lacks productivity. Also, I think a large part of the immigrant work force in concentrated in health and social care, less so in the sectors that drive national productivity?

[ragingpup]

Not really. They don’t really wash with Raging.

I’m a doer, he’s a dreamer. I live it, he talks about it. I pay it, he knows how to spend it.

Not the first idea about productivity or the workplace.

Never really understood how these uber intelligent individuals who basically pay **** all back into the system in tax, know better than I do.

Not having it. Part of the problem, not the solution.

As bad as the filthy rich. They really are.


Says that idiot Howdydoo, as he contemplates on investing his time on another project that will save around 30 jobs in the region.

Thanks for that howdy but I do pay higher level tax band and a huge part of my job is hiring and leading workers in the education sector. I think that gives at least me some right to an opinion on the topic?

What are your own thoughts on the UK poor productivity rates?

[animallittle3]

Not really. They don’t really wash with Raging.

I’m a doer, he’s a dreamer. I live it, he talks about it. I pay it, he knows how to spend it.

Not the first idea about productivity or the workplace.

Never really understood how these uber intelligent individuals who basically pay **** all back into the system in tax, know better than I do.

Not having it. Part of the problem, not the solution.

As bad as the filthy rich. They really are.


Says that idiot Howdydoo, as he contemplates on investing his time on another project that will save around 30 jobs in the region.

Well so far we've managed to know what you do but I'm still waiting for the important bit ...... the part where you nail it and walk the walk .

Have another go .

[howdydoo]

It’s the culture.

We don’t make anything. Not that’s massed produced.

Blame whatever you want: training, unions, education etc etc We all have our opinion but I’m telling you straight: we are lagging years behind the Europeans and they are playing us.

We still, just about, have the technological skills but the mindset has to change.

PS. Bravo for paying higher tax from a salary I guess paid for, by the tax payer. I’ve just got a 6 figure tax bill for keeping 20 people in work (who now continue to pay tax) in a company that never paid any tax for 10 years (losses) that’s now profitable.

If only I could decide where that money is spent, I wouldn’t give a ****.

[animallittle3]

Fair points Kerr but most places employ UK workers, still vast majority of the workforce, and your point doesn't really seem to explain why the whole UK work force still lacks productivity. Also, I think a large part of the immigrant work force in concentrated in health and social care, less so in the sectors that drive national productivity?

It's remarkable that in practically every economic measurement the greater the supply to the demand the price goes down .

However apparently a huge low skilled labour pool produces a different outcome .

Just saying .