O/T Democracy

[great_fire]

Blair,Brown,Major and now Cameron,all very bad leaders of our country are banding together to try to derail the EU exit.Despreate people who seem to get a lot of media coverage to spout their propaganda.A total disgrace by this ragbag of ex politicians to ignore democracy.

And Verhofstadt went to the Lib Dem conference yesterday and talked about the UK being subsumed into a "European Empire" similar to China and the Lib Dems all started clapping and cheering! They certainly have no idea what democracy is.

[great_fire]

I think you ought to read this gf

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/go...jeremy-corbyn/

She's ardently anti-EU but prefers Europhile Blairite Andy Burnham to Jeremy Corbyn.

She's not that bright TBH is she?

[flourbasher]

He contradicts himself in the piece. You need to listen to it properly.

He says there will be no changes at all to our trading arrangement. Yet in the very same phone in says there will be 150 new customs stations away from the port to deal with the extra work on the UK side.

There is no mention of what happens on the French side coming here.

If there ars no changes what so ever, why do we need 150 new customs stations? I'll answer that. Because there will be huge changes.

I've only just seen this and I'll try and give a more polite response than some have done.
These are pop up customs stations acting as a back up contingency plan in case there are any issues. Hopefully there won't be but not every driver / importer will be as confident as others so they will be there to reassure people and provide assistance during the transition.
Hopefully all they will be doing is answering simple questions.
Good planning by the government and a routine part of any emergency preparedness plans than everyone would undertake in these circumstances.

According to Raab this morning it appears as though the legal challenge has been hastily (translated as poorly) drafted and it appears as though the govt will press ahead with exiting without a deal if necessary. He says they can legally comply with the legal parts if the legislation as it's so badly worded.

I can't wait to see Corbyn and the Liberal Undemocrats faces when that happens.

[BigLadonOS]

I've only just seen this and I'll try and give a more polite response than some have done.
These are pop up customs stations acting as a back up contingency plan in case there are any issues. Hopefully there won't be but not every driver / importer will be as confident as others so they will be there to reassure people and provide assistance during the transition.
Hopefully all they will be doing is answering simple questions.
Good planning by the government and a routine part of any emergency preparedness plans than everyone would undertake in these circumstances.

According to Raab this morning it appears as though the legal challenge has been hastily (translated as poorly) drafted and it appears as though the govt will press ahead with exiting without a deal if necessary. He says they can legally comply with the legal parts if the legislation as it's so badly worded.

I can't wait to see Corbyn and the Liberal Undemocrats faces when that happens.

He also stated that this is for outbound traffic after drop off of goods and with the extra goods coming in from countries we do not trade with right now and that it is the sensible thing to do. For me this is just good planning and the popups will only be used as and when needed.

[MillerBill]

These very wealthy Islington protesting remainiacs fly over to Brussels to try and disrupt negotiations on the EU exit.After their pathetic publicity seeking performance at the Albert Hall at the weekend, they yet again embarrass the country with this display of stupidity.Utter disgrace!!!!

[animallittle3]

Sorry for the delay animal. Just read this with interest. On the surface the sums presented seem to indicate a convincing argument but as I’m no expert on this it is hard for me to test the data that they (E4FT) present. If I am to give them benefit of the doubt that their sums hold at least some truth, then we could square that circle with the FF article I linked to you which did summarise that “low-wage workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain” but stressed that overall, the negative difference was “small” and “For both wages and employment, short run effects of immigration differ from long run effects: any declines in the wages and employment of UK-born workers in the short run can be offset by rising wages and employment in the long run.”.

It's a highly complicated discussion and whilst I am willing to look at the E4FT argument, as an average Joe, I am sceptical of their data as they have such a strong bias towards a No Deal Brexit for their own ends, and have been repeatedly taken down more impartial commentators for skewing statistics to favour their arguments. This FT report on the E4FT report for one: https://www.ft.com/content/9bddba54-...c-25c814761640

I’m all for looking at ways to minimise the impact of immigration, and anything, that has a negative impact on wage and employment standards. In principle I’ve no objection to a ‘green card’ type system, as long as it goes hand in hand with a national policy to build skills and increase wages within capacities that low skilled employers can maintain (i.e. a sizable economic remodelling – if this doesn’t happen, and you just introduce green cards after No Deal, who is going to do the jobs? If wages need improving, how is the employer going to pay for it as most operate on small profit margins already). But as I’ve said, I honestly don’t think that economists like Minford are arguing to enhance the living standards of the average worker: I think the FT article reveals their (and their wealthy sponsors) true motivations, in making the UK a deregulated sweatshop, importing low quality goods at zero tariffs to undercut any UK companies that do uphold employment/consumer/environmental standards.

So I can see some valid arguments in the article but I trust not the authors to skew data for their own ends and exploit either the lay person’s ability to counter I’m more convinced that The Migration Observatory, as an entity offer more impartial perspectives but I understand you may not agree.

I understand your scepticism Raging as I share some of the same concerns about statistics too and who is behind them and their motives .

This unfortunately is the world we live in now .

The remarkable thing of course is that we've always had the right to control the number of EU migrants entering the UK but chose not to .

You have to wonder who lobbied for that decision when Blair signed that one off .

[BigLadonOS]

Here you have it folks. Direct from the horses mouth. The EMPIRE of Europe is not a myth after all.



I wish he would go and tell Greece, Italy and Portugal to name just 3 that they are better off inside the EU then they would have been if they had stayed out of it.

[BigLadonOS]

A proper Labour MP.

[MillerBill]

Here you have it folks. Direct from the horses mouth. The EMPIRE of Europe is not a myth after all.



I wish he would go and tell Greece, Italy and Portugal to name just 3 that they are better off inside the EU then they would have been if they had stayed out of it.

A very dangerous man with extremist views on where the EU should be going.The Libs should not be welcoming the likes of Verhofstadt but they will go to any depth to destroy democracy by ignoring the people's vote in 2016.

[great_fire]

Here you have it folks. Direct from the horses mouth. The EMPIRE of Europe is not a myth after all.

I wish he would go and tell Greece, Italy and Portugal to name just 3 that they are better off inside the EU then they would have been if they had stayed out of it.

It's fair to call Remainers and Lib Dems "Imperialists" now.