O/T Democracy

[great_fire]

"Humbug" is indeed very strong language, surprised it's not censored on here.

[animallittle3]

On an earlier exchange I was saying that people make a call on what is written down and can read it one way while all the time the writer meant it another. This is one of those odd times where the spoken word can also be down to how a person reads in to what is being said. I think Boris was saying that Jo Cox, who believed in democracy would not have been happy with how things stand today and her memory should not be used in an attempt to block democracy but to honour it instead.

You think you know what Johnson meant but the fact is only Johnson knows what he meant and with his history of let's say poor dialogue I wouldn't be willing to offer him the benefit of the doubt personally .

[BigLadonOS]

You think you know what Johnson meant but the fact is only Johnson knows what he meant and with his history of let's say poor dialogue I wouldn't be willing to offer him the benefit of the doubt personally .

Yes it is my opinion and only an opinion that he did not mean anything disrespectful about Jo Cox. In fact the speech he was answering did not even mention Jo Cox by name but somehow that has been ignored.

[animallittle3]

Yes it is my opinion and only an opinion that he did not mean anything disrespectful about Jo Cox. In fact the speech he was answering did not even mention Jo Cox by name but somehow that has been ignored.

When Johnson became PM I expected a more robust approach to us finally leaving the EU but as Michael Caine once said " you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off " .

As far as I'm concerned Johnson ticked the same box as I did in the referendum and that's all we have in common and all we will ever have .

You seem to be a supporter of Johnson's tactics Biglad , the end justifies the means perhaps but I'll tell you straight this people v parliament game dreamed up by a jumped up little t@sser who isn't even an elected MP is a very dangerous game to play .

Johnson's tactics in my opinion have only succeeded in winding up the remainers and aligning to a certain extent the opposition party's , with no majority in parliament it seems a ludicrous tactic to employ .

The referendum result put leave on the right side of democracy all day long and because of this idiot and his jumped up little toe rag advisor we are the bad guys now , even the Supreme Court have outed him as a liar .

Since he became PM just exactly how many times have you seen him in Brussels on the news bulletins meeting with the EU ?

Hardly any , if he has at all .

There's a right way you can crash out with no deal and there's this way and its not good , it's not good for future trade deals and neither will it heal the divides in the country , we all have to carry on if this thing ever gets resolved .

Whipping up the people in to frenzy with this kind of political dialogue is unacceptable , it only takes one nut jack as we've seen when Jo Cox was murdered .

If you believe Johnson and the ERG share your vision of the UK out of the EU then fair enough but it ain't mine , the sooner this lot are expelled from the tory party the better we can all sleep , that's saying something from me I can tell you endorsing tory moderates ......gulp !!

There's also one thing that seems to have escaped Johnson and his henchmen , whipping up the people v parliament goes the other way too and if Johnson does win the next GE with a majority on the back of this , then he and his henchman and whatever they have in store post brexit might live to regret how they showed the UK electorate how to do it .

You can bet that odious little shyte Cummings won't be around if that time comes .

[BigLadonOS]

I just want out Animal and I think 3 years is long enough dont you?

Boris has been pushed in to this style because the remoaners are using every dirty trick they can to stop Brexit and in my opinion they are indeed trecharas and undemocratic in the worst possible way.

If you think Boris is a liar then what are the other lot who promised to uphold the referendum result? Someone needed to stand up to them and it looks like Boris is doing a good job so far.

Lets just get out ASAP and go from there.

[WanChaiMiller]

When Johnson became PM I expected a more robust approach to us finally leaving the EU but as Michael Caine once said " you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off " .

As far as I'm concerned Johnson ticked the same box as I did in the referendum and that's all we have in common and all we will ever have .

You seem to be a supporter of Johnson's tactics Biglad , the end justifies the means perhaps but I'll tell you straight this people v parliament game dreamed up by a jumped up little t@sser who isn't even an elected MP is a very dangerous game to play .

Johnson's tactics in my opinion have only succeeded in winding up the remainers and aligning to a certain extent the opposition party's , with no majority in parliament it seems a ludicrous tactic to employ .

The referendum result put leave on the right side of democracy all day long and because of this idiot and his jumped up little toe rag advisor we are the bad guys now , even the Supreme Court have outed him as a liar .

Since he became PM just exactly how many times have you seen him in Brussels on the news bulletins meeting with the EU ?

Hardly any , if he has at all .

There's a right way you can crash out with no deal and there's this way and its not good , it's not good for future trade deals and neither will it heal the divides in the country , we all have to carry on if this thing ever gets resolved .

Whipping up the people in to frenzy with this kind of political dialogue is unacceptable , it only takes one nut jack as we've seen when Jo Cox was murdered .

If you believe Johnson and the ERG share your vision of the UK out of the EU then fair enough but it ain't mine , the sooner this lot are expelled from the tory party the better we can all sleep , that's saying something from me I can tell you endorsing tory moderates ......gulp !!

There's also one thing that seems to have escaped Johnson and his henchmen , whipping up the people v parliament goes the other way too and if Johnson does win the next GE with a majority on the back of this , then he and his henchman and whatever they have in store post brexit might live to regret how they showed the UK electorate how to do it .

You can bet that odious little shyte Cummings won't be around if that time comes .

Very well said Animal.

[WanChaiMiller]

I just want out Animal and I think 3 years is long enough dont you?

Boris has been pushed in to this style because the remoaners are using every dirty trick they can to stop Brexit and in my opinion they are indeed trecharas and undemocratic in the worst possible way.

If you think Boris is a liar then what are the other lot who promised to uphold the referendum result? Someone needed to stand up to them and it looks like Boris is doing a good job so far.

Lets just get out ASAP and go from there.

Mate, seriously, surely not at all costs. The likes of Johnson and ERG has designs on Britain that is at total odds with what I read as the reason why many Labour voting Northern Working Class people want to leave.

Brexit has paralysed Britain politically and brought us to a cross roads and a tipping point. Brexit as an ideology sits in a cross party, cross society void. The traditional parties are broken.The lack of any unifying political group in Parliament to drive Brexit through has allowed the global neoliberal wing of the Tory party to siezed power. Animal has it spot on.

[KerrAvon]

Johnson is a one nation Tory who has very little in common with the likes of Rees-Mogg other than a wish to leave the EU. I'm not sure the Left playing the 'neo-liberal' bogeyman card is helpful.

Johnson did not create the division that is apparent within the country. Ultimately whether the UK is in the EU or not is a binary choice. That polarised the country and Parliament has exacerbated that by failing to deliver on the direction indicated by the referendum.

In the face of an intransigent Parliament it is difficult to see what else Johnson can do other than seek an election and play it as 'back me if you want to leave'. The Lib-Dems will similarly 'play it as back us if you want to remain'. It's the politics of the last three years that have delivered us to where we are not the last three months.

Sadly, being in the public eye carries a degree of risk and that is probably particularly the case for MPs as political beliefs can be both extreme and deeply held. I don't think calling the Benn Act a surrender bill is going to have much of an effect on the degree of risk.

I feel slightly uneasy to see the Jo Cox card being played by some people. It is almost as though speaking her name is seen as some sort of talisman placing the point made by the speaker above criticism or challenge.

[Exiletyke]

Very well said Animal.

When Johnson became PM I expected a more robust approach to us finally leaving the EU but as Michael Caine once said " you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off " .

As far as I'm concerned Johnson ticked the same box as I did in the referendum and that's all we have in common and all we will ever have .

You seem to be a supporter of Johnson's tactics Biglad , the end justifies the means perhaps but I'll tell you straight this people v parliament game dreamed up by a jumped up little t@sser who isn't even an elected MP is a very dangerous game to play .

Johnson's tactics in my opinion have only succeeded in winding up the remainers and aligning to a certain extent the opposition party's , with no majority in parliament it seems a ludicrous tactic to employ .

The referendum result put leave on the right side of democracy all day long and because of this idiot and his jumped up little toe rag advisor we are the bad guys now , even the Supreme Court have outed him as a liar .

Since he became PM just exactly how many times have you seen him in Brussels on the news bulletins meeting with the EU ?

Hardly any , if he has at all .

There's a right way you can crash out with no deal and there's this way and its not good , it's not good for future trade deals and neither will it heal the divides in the country , we all have to carry on if this thing ever gets resolved .

Whipping up the people in to frenzy with this kind of political dialogue is unacceptable , it only takes one nut jack as we've seen when Jo Cox was murdered .

If you believe Johnson and the ERG share your vision of the UK out of the EU then fair enough but it ain't mine , the sooner this lot are expelled from the tory party the better we can all sleep , that's saying something from me I can tell you endorsing tory moderates ......gulp !!

There's also one thing that seems to have escaped Johnson and his henchmen , whipping up the people v parliament goes the other way too and if Johnson does win the next GE with a majority on the back of this , then he and his henchman and whatever they have in store post brexit might live to regret how they showed the UK electorate how to do it .

You can bet that odious little shyte Cummings won't be around if that time comes .


Agreed
Very well said

[rolymiller]

Yes we'll put Mr animal. come out by all means but let's do it properly. Brexit that has a erg flavour will leave us all with a nasty taste in the mouth.