O/T Democracy

[KerrAvon]

Johnson is a one nation Tory who has very little in common with the likes of Rees-Mogg other than a wish to leave the EU. I'm not sure the Left playing the 'neo-liberal' bogeyman card is helpful.

Johnson did not create the division that is apparent within the country. Ultimately whether the UK is in the EU or not is a binary choice. That polarised the country and Parliament has exacerbated that by failing to deliver on the direction indicated by the referendum.

In the face of an intransigent Parliament it is difficult to see what else Johnson can do other than seek an election and play it as 'back me if you want to leave'. The Lib-Dems will similarly 'play it as back us if you want to remain'. It's the politics of the last three years that have delivered us to where we are not the last three months.

Sadly, being in the public eye carries a degree of risk and that is probably particularly the case for MPs as political beliefs can be both extreme and deeply held. I don't think calling the Benn Act a surrender bill is going to have much of an effect on the degree of risk.

I feel slightly uneasy to see the Jo Cox card being played by some people. It is almost as though speaking her name is seen as some sort of talisman placing the point made by the speaker above criticism or challenge.

[ragingpup]

Johnson is a one nation Tory who has very little in common with the likes of Rees-Mogg other than a wish to leave the EU. I'm not sure the Left playing the 'neo-liberal' bogeyman card is helpful.

Johnson did not create the division that is apparent within the country. Ultimately whether the UK is in the EU or not is a binary choice. That polarised the country and Parliament has exacerbated that by failing to deliver on the direction indicated by the referendum.

In the face of an intransigent Parliament it is difficult to see what else Johnson can do other than seek an election and play it as 'back me if you want to leave'. The Lib-Dems will similarly 'play it as back us if you want to remain'. It's the politics of the last three years that have delivered us to where we are not the last three months.

Sadly, being in the public eye carries a degree of risk and that is probably particularly the case for MPs as political beliefs can be both extreme and deeply held. I don't think calling the Benn Act a surrender bill is going to have much of an effect on the degree of risk.

I feel slightly uneasy to see the Jo Cox card being played by some people. It is almost as though speaking her name is seen as some sort of talisman placing the point made by the speaker above criticism or challenge.

Agree about the terminology of surrender bill. And partly agree with some of the hysterics over Jo Cox, although you have to bear in mind the genuine threat to MPs when emotions are being whipped up as they were on Wednesday. We shouldn't forget what can happen when this happens, and that MPs are literally in the firing line.

But Boris not create the division that we are facing? Come on! Who was it in front of the bus? Who commissioned the Vote Leave campaign? Who spent two years writing columns encouraging MPs to vote down his own PM's negotiated deal? Johnson and Gove are the architects of this situation.