O/T Democracy

[KerrAvon]

Dearest Kerry**** (is that how you do this endearment thing?)

Lovely diversions as always. But the only point I was responding to was your quote:

Johnson did not create the division that is apparent within the country. Ultimately whether the UK is in the EU or not is a binary choice. That polarised the country and Parliament has exacerbated that by failing to deliver on the direction indicated by the referendum.

I was, as you well know pointing out that his decision to stand in front of a bus with a huge fib on it, commissioning the Vote Leave campaign and spending 3 years criticising May's (honest but restricted) efforts to secure a deal was a hugely significant part of it.

That was the only point I was responding to thanks

That's super raging, darling, and I am very grateful, but you will recall that you asserted that the division in the country was all down to Johnson and Gove for campaigning for remain and voting against the May deal. So may I ask again, how are you absolving Leavers such as Corbyn and McDonnell who were voting for a referendum in 2011 and the Labour Party for voting against the May deal?

I'm sure that you can see the problem here; you say it's all down to Johnson and Gove for doing 'a' and 'b' and yet we know that Corbyn and McDonnell did the same thing. How can you justify that apparent contradiction, old thing?

[BigLadonOS]

That's super raging, darling, and I am very grateful, but you will recall that you asserted that the division in the country was all down to Johnson and Gove for campaigning for remain and voting against the May deal. So may I ask again, how are you absolving Leavers such as Corbyn and McDonnell who were voting for a referendum in 2011 and the Labour Party for voting against the May deal?

I'm sure that you can see the problem here; you say it's all down to Johnson and Gove for doing 'a' and 'b' and yet we know that Corbyn and McDonnell did the same thing. How can you justify that apparent contradiction, old thing?

He can justify it by totally ignoring it like he usually does.

[BigLadonOS]

I'm afraid that I won't biggie. The doctrine of the separation of powers requires that the Judiciary be separate from the Executive for the very reason that the former should be able to make judgements upon the actions of the latter without the suggestion of political bias or interference.

The legislator - Parliament - creates law and the Judiciary has to apply it (unless they declare it incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights). There is no statute law on prorogation and so the Supreme Court fell back on common law principles which provide that the exercise of prerogative power by the Executive (i.e government) must be exercised rationally and reasonably (for which you could substitute 'fairly').

I wouldn't like to speculate upon whether Parliament will legislate to curb the court's powers of judicial review. I think some clarity around the exercise of the power of prorogation would clearly be of value.

Kerr, has there ever been a situation like this in the history of Parliament? Prorogation is 100% a political matter by definition so how did the supreme court get anywhere close to being involved in it?

If you take a step back and look at it does it not seem like a ploy or tactic by remaoners to throw more spanners in the works?

Is parliament able to pass a law that would make prorogation wholly a political matter where this will never be allowed to happen again.

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Lady Hale answered it quite emhatically in her summing up saying the Supreme court has no jurisdiction over matters of Parliament.

Ha ha. Whatever.

[WanChaiMiller]

Ha ha. Whatever.

What makes you laugh? In what way do you think the the ruling doesnt deal with your questions? Please expand.

[WanChaiMiller]

Kerr, has there ever been a situation like this in the history of Parliament? Prorogation is 100% a political matter by definition so how did the supreme court get anywhere close to being involved in it?

Read the ruling and you will get your answer. I copied it and posted it above.

[ragingpup]

That's super raging, darling, and I am very grateful, but you will recall that you asserted that the division in the country was all down to Johnson and Gove for campaigning for remain and voting against the May deal. So may I ask again, how are you absolving Leavers such as Corbyn and McDonnell who were voting for a referendum in 2011 and the Labour Party for voting against the May deal?

I'm sure that you can see the problem here; you say it's all down to Johnson and Gove for doing 'a' and 'b' and yet we know that Corbyn and McDonnell did the same thing. How can you justify that apparent contradiction, old thing?

When did I absolve anyone? I was simply responding to your assertion that Johnson didn't create the division. I'm simply pointing out that he was instrumental in setting up the vote leave campain, putting outright lies on a bus and posing in front of it in what was one of the most pursuasive stands of the leave campaign and then campaigning against his own prime minister throughout her attempts to get a deal. And you're equating all this with a spot of whataboutery to Corbyn voting against the deal?

No dice sweetypops

[loyalmiller]

Talking of which. Good likeness?

[BigLadonOS]

When did I absolve anyone? I was simply responding to your assertion that Johnson didn't create the division. I'm simply pointing out that he was instrumental in setting up the vote leave campain, putting outright lies on a bus and posing in front of it in what was one of the most pursuasive stands of the leave campaign and then campaigning against his own prime minister throughout her attempts to get a deal. And you're equating all this with a spot of whataboutery to Corbyn voting against the deal?

No dice sweetypops

Pup, what about all those lies that said this country would be on its knees within weeks of a vote leave result? What about all the lies about not joining the EURO that would cripple us again within weeks.

I suggest that telling porkies was not solely the leave campaigns domain mate but again please do not let the truth spoil your argument.

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Talking of which. Good likeness?

😂 hahaha.
Thanks for that loyal, cheered me up a lot after a bad day....

Now if you could find one to represent Dominic Cummings that would really cheer me up.