BOJO. The end.

[sinkov]

BT, I'm not clear on this.

Are Labour a remain party or does it depend on which part of the country you live?

One think is for sure, they do not want to leave on October 31st. Anything else is guesswork for the voters.

Some people are living in a time warp, the LiDems say they are a party for Remain, Starmer says Labour should campaign for Remain, and on they drone, these Remainers. Wake up guys, your nightmare is reality now, the referendum was done and dusted over three years ago, and Remain lost. You can campaign to re-join if you like, nothing wrong with that, but Remain is dead, dead as a Norwegian Blue, 17.4 million people killed it, and they're waiting patiently for the burial, but they won't wait patiently forvever.

[sinkov]

Incidentally, we can at least both agree that 1959_60 and his band of anti-democratic Remainers are a disgrace and should be forcibly repatriated to their EU county of choice within the next 31 days.

Pity we don't have colonies any more BT, somewhere stinking hot, with sugar plantations and lots of mozzies.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Pity we don't have colonies any more BT, somewhere stinking hot, with sugar plantations and lots of mozzies.

Sounds ideal, does that sinkov!

[1959_60]

Oi! I thought you were my mates?

Shows what kind of country you are planning after Brexit.

Any road, we will see a return of colonies after Brexit.

We will become the 51st state of the USA.

[sinkov]

Oi! I thought you were my mates?

Depends on whether you're being Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde 59, there's the 59 who's the Burnley fan everyone likes, sensible, intelligent, genial, good natured, someone you'd happily have round for tea and crumpets every day of the week, then there's the 59 who's a LibDem, spouting their anti democratic nonsense, treating me and my missus, who also voted to leave, with utter contempt, not fit persons to be making decisions on the future of our own country, in your opinion.

So it depends which 59 turns up mon ami, one's my mate, but how can I be mates with the other one, who disrespects my vote and thinks I'm an idiot ?

[1959_60]

I certainly don't think you are an idiot Sinkov. I don't know if you and your missus are fit persons to make decisions on the future of our country but I hold you in higher esteem than most politicians.

You may find it hard to believe but we have several members of our party who are leavers and we have some entertaining conversations both in meetings and over a pint. It is possible to have rational conversations without getting personal.

Hell fire, I even share the odd pint with Rovers fans.

So when I hear that you want to consign me to a mozzy ridden dump I must confess that I am nonplussed.

Politics has turned really nasty since 2016. But the surprising thing is that most people are still very respectful about others. Parliament is not representative of the country.
I was out leafleting today in Morecambe and I had some chats and laughs with quite a few leavers. There was no animosity at all.
I actually had a discussion with one chap who was still worried that we were going to be overrun by Turks. I tried to allay his fears but, for some reason, he believed Nigel more than me.

[sinkov]

The problem 59 is not you personally, but it's the party of which you're a member and who's policies you espouse on here. Your party tells me that my legal, democratic vote in the referendum is irrelevant, of no consequence, and they will overturn it if they can. This is an insult to my intelligence, the intelligence of my missus, and an insult to the intelligence of 17.4 million people who voted to leave, it's arrogant, patronising and also dangerous. It's dangerous because it trashes democracy in this country, a democracy can only function with the loser's consent, your party has arbitrarily withdrawn that consent, and if democracy does not function, I dread to think what replaces it.

Do you see my problem mon ami ?

[1959_60]

Nigel Farage made it clear when he thought that remain had won the referendum that the fight would continue. The leavers would have continued to campaign to leave the EU and I suggest that you would have supported his campaign? well, plenty would have done including a lot of Tories. And I wouldn't have had a problem with that.
You will say, "but at least we would have remained - you would have got what you voted for" and I honestly understand your frustration.

But the only way we could leave quickly was via a no deal. And no one, well, very few, thought this was a good idea.
So we had to get a deal. It soon became apparent that the deal which Boris and Nigel had promised us was not available.
Theresa got a deal but it had one point that caused it to fail in Parliament - the Irish border issue. I remember you saying that you would rather remain than accept the deal.
And you weren't alone. Would you accept Theresa's deal if the backstop was taken out because this is what Boris is trying to do? Some would and some wouldn't.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if the public were asked what they thought? At least we would all know exactly what we would get this time.

I remember when you changed your tune and told us "I have come to the conclusion that we should just leave and if it means throwing Ireland under a bus then so be it"
That is your opinion Sinkov but please don't claim to speak for the majority of the country when you say that.

I am not insulting your intelligence or patronising you but if the Lib Dems announce in a manifesto that if we are elected we will revoke article 50 then simply don't vote for us. We'll all decide who to vote for by inspecting the parties manifesto's and reaching our own conclusions. But to claim that the Lib Dems are being undemocratic for telling us quite openly what their policies are doesn't make any sense.
Labour tell us they would abolish private schools. You may disagree with them but they are not being undemocratic.

[army88]

Nigel Farage made it clear when he thought that remain had won the referendum that the fight would continue. The leavers would have continued to campaign to leave the EU and I suggest that you would have supported his campaign? well, plenty would have done including a lot of Tories. And I wouldn't have had a problem with that.
You will say, "but at least we would have remained - you would have got what you voted for" and I honestly understand your frustration.

But the only way we could leave quickly was via a no deal. And no one, well, very few, thought this was a good idea.
So we had to get a deal. It soon became apparent that the deal which Boris and Nigel had promised us was not available.
Theresa got a deal but it had one point that caused it to fail in Parliament - the Irish border issue. I remember you saying that you would rather remain than accept the deal.
And you weren't alone. Would you accept Theresa's deal if the backstop was taken out because this is what Boris is trying to do? Some would and some wouldn't.
Wouldn't it be a good idea if the public were asked what they thought? At least we would all know exactly what we would get this time.

I remember when you changed your tune and told us "I have come to the conclusion that we should just leave and if it means throwing Ireland under a bus then so be it"
That is your opinion Sinkov but please don't claim to speak for the majority of the country when you say that.

I am not insulting your intelligence or patronising you but if the Lib Dems announce in a manifesto that if we are elected we will revoke article 50 then simply don't vote for us. We'll all decide who to vote for by inspecting the parties manifesto's and reaching our own conclusions. But to claim that the Lib Dems are being undemocratic for telling us quite openly what their policies are doesn't make any sense.
Labour tell us they would abolish private schools. You may disagree with them but they are not being undemocratic.

We are past all that ask the public 59 because truthfully and you know this to be true they don’t care what we think,

I’m astonished that even after all the underhand dealings , lies and rigmarole that’s gone on you think that this is the way forward.

To be honest when May went the first time to Brussels if she’d come back and said cards on the table they won’t deal they are only prepared to do this this and this if we commit to this so I’m asking you the public , I think it would have maybe been a logical and clever way of doing things being honest it would probably have kept her in the job.

However history tells us that they lie and cheat and try to better their own personal circumstances without a care for the people’s views and you want to trust them further again.

They want clearing out top to bottom and a new system and personnel introducing to give the country a fighting chance going forwards.

I’ve said I’d like a deal to be done on trade etc but we have nothing left to bargain with imo, we have weakened and weakened our position so much that they think they hold all the cards again,

They have a shock coming to them I think with a domino effect imminently after it.

[army88]

We are past all that ask the public 59 because truthfully and you know this to be true they don’t care what we think,

I’m astonished that even after all the underhand dealings , lies and rigmarole that’s gone on you think that this is the way forward.

To be honest when May went the first time to Brussels if she’d come back and said cards on the table they won’t deal they are only prepared to do this this and this if we commit to this so I’m asking you the public , I think it would have maybe been a logical and clever way of doing things being honest it would probably have kept her in the job.

However history tells us that they lie and cheat and try to better their own personal circumstances without a care for the people’s views and you want to trust them further again.

They want clearing out top to bottom and a new system and personnel introducing to give the country a fighting chance going forwards.

I’ve said I’d like a deal to be done on trade etc but we have nothing left to bargain with imo, we have weakened and weakened our position so much that they think they hold all the cards again,

They have a shock coming to them I think with a domino effect imminently after it.

Anyone who says they’re not interested in what people say and will install remain if they were by any slight chance to make power is Not democratic