Players for the chop against huddersfield

[champs95]

It's tough league and TM is, rightly imho, changing our tactics. If this season is the one before we attempt a top 6 finish he is doing the right thing.

DG doesn't fit in with our new style but, at the moment, we're struggling with the new tactics. It's no good keep going back to DG and is probably best he goes in January.

I'd play Tosin and Bradley every week.
We need a settled side with minimum changes. It looks like TM is more open to that this season.

We are a team in transition and nobody has shown us up thus far.

Look at what TM inherited plus the years of turmoil beforehand then look where we are now.

"Legend" is an often used word these days but I believe history will show TM earned the tag.

The LET and BRFCS can influence our moods and thoughts, don't fall for it.

I was saying all this down in Div1 as u was following us all over the country. And telling everyone keep faith.
Most had stopped going.
Most had given up.

Most on here would say we wouldn't go up.

It's nice your both patronising me now.
But I don't recall either of you calling it right back then?
Sven, you'd stopped altogether then right?

[champs95]

And I'm slightly confused? I heard are changing tactics?
But played Danny Graham on Sat.
I spent the week saying how poor he'd been.
Not just saying nonsensical words. But stating how he's not performing. What effect he has in us when he plays.
I'm also very vocal about Rothwell.
Aucks spent the week telling me how wrong I was? I'll ask.....I asked on Sat and didn't get an answer. How did Graham play? How did Rothwell play. I'm not just saying words with no reason. I feel I have a point. And say it well before it happens.



If we are changing tactics? Would playing a 35 year old Graham badly out form be part of the new or old tactics? Should we not be percivering with the lad we wasted almost all or budget on? Or sticking with Graham who is adding nothing.
I'm saying it, as it affects my team doing well. Hence my concern. And Rothwell. Who has never performed for us. Why is he playing? And why is Holtby not playing. And why is our defence a shambles?

[champs95]

My point being. There is no point going into a game like QPR and reflecting afterwards why we where so poor. The signs where there in the 2 games prior to this. Graham. You don't play him. You can sit for a week and tell me about how good DG was 12 months ago. But here and now it's very concerning he keeps reverting back to it. My fears where there already. What did he do on Sat? Played him. And we where shocking again.
I thought that about 3 or 4 players he picked. Before the game I was concerned. And after I was fuming. Because he isn't setting up up right. It's worrying.
Hence I say these things before a ball is kicked. He can't keep making these mistakes. The mistakes are outweighing the good things. Look at our GD. Look at our losses, over our wins. That won't change while he plays people like Rothwell, Graham, Downing 3 times in a week. It's worrying. And annoying because I feel we can do better.
Not once have I said we are works beaters. Not once have I said we should or will go up.
With the money spent, and squad we have, imo we should be doing better. Not winning the Champions League. But doing better than lower mid table. Which is where we finished. And where we show no real signs and moving away from. No point investing £5m them playing a 35 year old away from home, who had been woeful all season. I'm wuesgiming it, because it's holding us back I feel

[seventwo]

It's nice your both patronising me now.
But I don't recall either of you calling it right back then?
Sven, you'd stopped altogether then right?

There is nothing patronising about my post.
I expressed an opinion.

I could join in with your arguments but you wouldn't like the results.

[champs95]

And in my post, where I post my opinion, what is wrong with that?
Because I expressed an opinion, I get told I sway one way of the other?
One day I am saying we are world beater, the very next day I am saying we are ****e.
Which I completely disagree with.

Down in Div 1 I don't recall all this positivity? I do recall being the one one who stuck with us.

And yes, I feel that comment from both you and Auks was rather patronising.
When, as you pointed out, I expressed an opinion.

I stayed with stayed loyal to this club, this manager, these players. During our darkest times, when most had completely lost faith. In the manager, players and club.

And now I get told I am the mad one.

Yep, bit patronising.

All I've done is say how ****e Graham, Bennett etc are. Because they have been.
Exactly what have I said that is so incorrect? So I know for future.

[champs95]

Feel free to me where my opinion is less than yours and I will be happy to discuss it. Or not, if you cant be bothered. That's fair enough aswell.

I don't set out to annoy anyone, like say Saxo did. I just say what I see. If its rubbish, I will say. If its good, I will say.

[AucklandRover]

Champs - I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the D.1 campaign.
My take on it, always, was that there were no guarantees. Sunderland have discovered how true that is. When it became clear that we would get promotion - as the spring wore on - my chief emotion was relief!
I didn't think I was being patronising either. It is a simple fact that you tend to draw more dramatic conclusions than I do.
I am nearly always cautious because a lifetime of following football has taught me to take nothing for granted, and not to generalise on the basis of limited evidence.
You are wrong to say I didn't respond about Saturday. I acknowledged that I was very disappointed by Rothwell and that Graham was anonymous.
The problem, as I see it, though, is that NONE of our forwards have consistently performed. Armstrong has probably been the best of them, and he has been up-and-down like a yo-yo. Gallagher has not looked much more likely to score than DG.
That is why I have even tentatively suggested the high-risk gamble of giving Samuel a go!
Two weeks ago, TM's strategy of relying on experience seemed to be going well. Then came the Luton game.
Now...I just don't know. I'm torn between saying to the QPR team, "Right - prove the critics wrong", and concluding, "Time for a drastic change."
The latter might include selecting three or four from: Nyambe, Tosin, Holtby, Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Samuel.
I have very mixed feelings about it. What I do know is, the season could easily proceed: 'Win One, Draw One, Lose One'.
Looking at how even this Division is, I can't quite see why that pattern seems so unacceptable to many supporters. I still get a sense, sometimes, that some of our fans think we somehow have more of a "right" to be challenging for the top places than other clubs of similar "size". History, I suppose.

[robinrover]

Losing isn't unacceptable but how you lose is.
Saturday the players looked to be anywhere other than a football pitch.
Now that annoys me far more than the result,if I posted letters with no effort or care I would be done the job centre pretty sharply.
One thing that was missing was passion and as soon as travis was announced injured we lost that guaranteed slice of passion.

[champs95]

Champs - I have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the D.1 campaign.
My take on it, always, was that there were no guarantees. Sunderland have discovered how true that is. When it became clear that we would get promotion - as the spring wore on - my chief emotion was relief!
I didn't think I was being patronising either. It is a simple fact that you tend to draw more dramatic conclusions than I do.
I am nearly always cautious because a lifetime of following football has taught me to take nothing for granted, and not to generalise on the basis of limited evidence.
You are wrong to say I didn't respond about Saturday. I acknowledged that I was very disappointed by Rothwell and that Graham was anonymous.
The problem, as I see it, though, is that NONE of our forwards have consistently performed. Armstrong has probably been the best of them, and he has been up-and-down like a yo-yo. Gallagher has not looked much more likely to score than DG.
That is why I have even tentatively suggested the high-risk gamble of giving Samuel a go!
Two weeks ago, TM's strategy of relying on experience seemed to be going well. Then came the Luton game.
Now...I just don't know. I'm torn between saying to the QPR team, "Right - prove the critics wrong", and concluding, "Time for a drastic change."
The latter might include selecting three or four from: Nyambe, Tosin, Holtby, Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Samuel.
I have very mixed feelings about it. What I do know is, the season could easily proceed: 'Win One, Draw One, Lose One'.
Looking at how even this Division is, I can't quite see why that pattern seems so unacceptable to many supporters. I still get a sense, sometimes, that some of our fans think we somehow have more of a "right" to be challenging for the top places than other clubs of similar "size". History, I suppose.

All I was trying to do is voice my concerns before it happened. Which is what i was doing with Graham.
I cant help but feel I am being categorized as one of these knee-jerk LET posters, who kick off after a game. My concerns where already there. Compounded by the performance after my concerns where vocalised. And I'd like to think I was correct. He was awful. He has been all season long.
Any old idiot can sit after a game and moan about what just happened. I was saying I feared it, due to who he is choosing to play.

...........Gallagher has not looked much more likely to score than DG............

This is where our opinion differs. I feel the young lad we paid £5m for. The future of this club, as a striker you thrive on confidence. He should be playing. And we HAVE to stick with him.
DG wont be around after this season. The quicker w move away from him, that system the quicker we as a team, move on. The fact DG is so poor this season, is one thing. The fact he will be gone either way in a few months time, tells me we are making a big mistake playing. I could even understand if he was in good form. He is as poor now, as he has ever been for us. So he simply doesn't justify his place. I think SG has. He had one poor game vrs Luton and got dumped out on the wing. Then dropped. That would kill my confidence as a player. Then I'd watch the performance of the guy replacing me, and wonder what I was doing wrong?
I feel that's poor management. And wont help us as a team one bit.
But these are only really minor issues. Over-all we move on. Some good things and some bad things.

I'm ok with the fact we are a mid-table Champ side. That could change, but reality is, as much as Norwich had fun going up, they simply cant compete. Which is the position we would find ourselves. Yes, they had a decent enough start. But over the next weeks, they will find themselves deep in that bottom 3 with nowhere to hide.
Fans state we should go up. And demand it. Like it will be the solution to any problem.
After a week of conceeding 9 goals at home those same 'fans' will turn. And not be happy, and complain. And any prior season where we did finally win promotion, would be forgotten inside of a week.

[champs95]

I do have a conspiracy theory about why things went so wrong down at QPR. And it involves 2 of the 3 irish lads.
Lenihan and Cunningham where both selected to be part of the Irish sqaud. But neither will've played one second of football. Which is not what either lad wants. Its a massive waste of time. Niether trains properly, and it means they are behind when they come back. And both have no chance of playing, like very time they are called up.
This goes on alot in football. I know for a fact it does. It was worthwhile both picking up 'injuries'.
I will gurantee everyone that both will be fit and well to play for us vrs Hudd's. It was well worth the effort of both having to leave the pitch on Sat in order to miss out on this huge waste of time.
I know for a fact, it was becoming more and more of an issue for Mulgrew going off to waste his time with Scotland, hence he was shown the door.
I know that Nymabe was advised by the club, the dangers of travelling to Africa to play for Namibia this summer. meaning he missed pre-season with his club. He has barley kicked a ball for this club since he chose to not listen to the advice given. Don't waste your time son, concentrate on getting in the side of your employers. He had issues anyway, as did Charlie. So if they choose to waste their time and it affects what is happening in their club, they will be taken out of the side.
Lenihan is better off removing himself from all of that, and concentrate on his club.
Which is likely why he listened. Same with Cunnigham.

This did have an affect on the performance on sat, aswell as a few other things.