Quote Originally Posted by animallittle3 View Post
Raging I don't get concerned when people allow themselves to be manipulated and down trodden .

Why should I ?

I'm the bloke who confronted management while others stood behind me with a tenth of what they were going to do until they had the opportunity to do it .

I firmly believe and I always have that solidarity can overcome anything a government or a business inflicts on it's people or workers .

I find the selling out to the likes of the EU lets say disappointing when the truth is that the working class have always had the means to overcome anything anybody ever threw at them .

I'm at an age when I've let go and thought you know what , sit on your @sses and get fecked over then .

The Labour Party could help of course by hmm actually winning a GE instead of losing votes by the thousands every week .

Voting it down tomorrow is of course set to lose them even more but hey ho there's only a GE around the corner .

The electorate are never wrong raging .
The electorate are never wrong? I honestly don't mean to me horrible but do you really mean that? 1933?

I respect what you have done and I've done very similar in standing up as a union member. For me, you look at what powers you have, what you could get and move to improve the conditions for all.

As it stands I am no fan of the EU, as I've said before. But one benefit they do offer is a minimum standard of protections below which members cannot sink. Forget all the other stuff. We're leaving, we can argue for the best deal we can. Why suddenly have we moved to a situation with cutting off minimum protections that could serve workers /consumers/environment that we can use against future governmenta that don't have our best interests at heart? As I keep saying, they don't prevent us improving these standards do they? So I ask again, why would you want to remove them, as has just happened, when negotiating a future trade arrangement? Why would you deliberately choose to remove that when you don't have to? (unless you simply want no deal in which case I kind of get it, but didn't think you wanted that cos wouldn't you still want to them start negotiating with the EU on a new trade agreement from scratch? Is that what you want?

After seeing the last 40 years, I just wish I had your faith that workers would suddenly rise and fight for their rights. Where do you think this is suddenly going to come from? Happy to be pursuaded as there is nothing of love more.